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Post by LCellini on Jun 13, 2008 11:41:59 GMT -11
Im taking educational psychology so my brain has been buzzing with what ifs all day. This is one that I saw because of some movie coming out.
Lets say that you had some sort of magic premonition that your cousin was going to become the next crazy dictator of the world. And to become this dictator thousands will die. If you knew how to murder this person without getting caught would you? If you didnt know how would you still kill them and go to prison? I am basically asking would you kill one person to save so many others?
Its just a thinking exercise and I have some others I want to share but I thought I would start with this one. I know heavy but I thought it was really interesting when I read it. Ill tell everyone what I would do after some other people do.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 13, 2008 11:49:25 GMT -11
Well I first wonder why you'd have to murder them in the first place? I believe that enivornmental factors (sometimes physiological comebined) aids in shaping a person psychologically. Evidence of this can be found in plenty of examples including those that abuse their wives and families tend to be people who themself grew up with an abusive father of whom they watched beat their mother on a regular basis. Keeping this in mind, what I would do with my cousin is immediately start trying to work with them and the environment they are in, in hopes to redirect them to a totally different outcome, thus preventative measures rather than murder.
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 13, 2008 12:05:12 GMT -11
It would depend on whether I trusted my "feeling." If I trusted it, or had others that proved to be accurate, the cousin is toast, and so am I. Not a difficult decision really.
However, if I doubted the "feeling" then I might watch the cousin closely for clues that it was happening and probably would end up being the first of "the thousands to die."
What a pleasant poll. I don't remember worrying about such things when I took educational psychology.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 13, 2008 12:15:47 GMT -11
I'd wait until they took power and then I'd kill the crap out of em, then I'd take control and buy a lamborghini and drive around my new country. I'm sure you wanted a serious answer so here is that version. I don't believe in psychic premonitions but if I new for a fact that this scenario was irreversible and I had no time to counsel my crazy cousin (as suggested by Spooky) I would have to cap 'em.
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Post by chrissy on Jun 13, 2008 12:32:02 GMT -11
Well , I know Im on the far end here , but how close are you to that cousin? I mean if they are the powerful crazy and your reaping benifits .. that is another factor to take into play. I mean come on think of it this way, everyone in here can say .. love, morale and respect over money. But has any of you been in a position where someone put 1 billion dollars in front of you in cash and said ... here is one billion all you have to do is something completely unmorale (atleast to you). What would you do in that case. I dont know if I would play lone ranger on the example that you gave above, because I agree with spooky I think your enviorment changes your situation so whose to say you do kill em but no one will ever understand why and your life is over in its own right. On the other hand , you could let it all play out reap your benefits and before it gets to the murder and mayhem, take you measures. You know , when others can see whats going on as well and you come out as a hero, in opposed to a psycho. Did that make sense? Ive had a wine and Im in ramble mode lol
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 13, 2008 12:42:18 GMT -11
Well , I know Im on the far end here , but how close are you to that cousin? I mean if they are the powerful crazy and your reaping benifits .. that is another factor to take into play. I mean come on think of it this way, everyone in here can say .. love, morale and respect over money. But has any of you been in a position where someone put 1 billion dollars in front of you in cash and said ... here is one billion all you have to do is something completely unmorale (atleast to you). What would you do in that case. I dont know if I would play lone ranger on the example that you gave above, because I agree with spooky I think your enviorment changes your situation so whose to say you do kill em but no one will ever understand why and your life is over in its own right. On the other hand , you could let it all play out reap your benefits and before it gets to the murder and mayhem, take you measures. You know , when others can see whats going on as well and you come out as a hero, in opposed to a psycho. Did that make sense? Ive had a wine and Im in ramble mode lol Well I suppose if my crazy cousin gave bought me a lamborghini, gave me a country, as well as payed for my gas and food I may be able to handle that.
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Post by chrissy on Jun 13, 2008 12:45:35 GMT -11
With the gas prices these days , I will settle for a gas card ! hahahah
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 13, 2008 12:49:02 GMT -11
Right and plus you could live your life behind bars thinking of the "if onlys" like if only you had taken a different route...if only you had done something to mentor him/her...if only you had removed them from their environment. Then you live your whole entire life with the death on your hands wondering if you could have tried a different approach.
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Post by hoobsmom on Jun 13, 2008 12:54:51 GMT -11
I thought about this seriously and there is no way I could kill anyone. So I guess I would drop a dime on them and hope for the best. But I might have Joe do it for me.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 13, 2008 12:58:12 GMT -11
I thought about this seriously and there is no way I could kill anyone. So I guess I would drop a dime on them and hope for the best. But I might have Joe do it for me. Good idea. Another way to handle this without murder, if possible.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 13, 2008 13:21:50 GMT -11
But I might have Joe do it for me.
Money talks ...
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Post by hoobsmom on Jun 13, 2008 13:24:28 GMT -11
You would be amply rewarded.
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Post by LCellini on Jun 13, 2008 15:50:17 GMT -11
okay i realized after i wrote it i should have just opened it up to whatever and maybe not have the person as a relative. its not part of the class but i was learning about how people progress in morals. law and order is the only one i can remember off the top of my head.
i just got to thinking what would i do and how moral decisions can seriously get you thinking. ive read some before that just wrapped my brain in knots thinking what WOULD i do?
okay so for this one if i knew that someone, even a cousin, was going to someday be the cause of death for many i have to honestly say that I could never kill another person. Only if I was fighting for my life or the life of someone VERY close to me. And we've all seen those shows where someone with psychic powers changes things to avoid something happening and that still leads to the thing happening. So even if i knew and maybe did kill the person, would that change anything? if i didnt do anything and maybe got to know the person better, would that change anything?
I think I would get to know the person better and try to get involved and see what happens. I keep thinking about it and eeerrrr i just dont know.
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Post by LCellini on Jun 13, 2008 15:51:28 GMT -11
and since you all are all so awesome when i need people to quiz on stuff like this i know where to come. there are some things i dont understand and i know that i could find some help on here
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Post by «Foz» on Jun 14, 2008 2:26:29 GMT -11
That's a tough scenario, LC. I would start by taking Spooky's route of trying to remove the person from their environment and see if they can be changed. However, sometimes people are just beyond help. It that was the case, I would honestly be able to kill the person if it came to that and I couldn't find any other options. I would have an easier time living with the fact that I killed one person than living with knowing I was basically an "accomplice" to thousands of deaths.
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