Pinkberry
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Post by Pinkberry on Nov 9, 2008 19:54:08 GMT -11
But the reason why a conservative might oppose abortion but not the death penalty would be because said conservative views a fetus as a live human life at moment of conception. They view this live human as an innocent harmless baby that never hurt anyone nor deserves to die. Vicious and cold blooded killers on the other hand, they view as people who made a conscious choice to inflict cruelty, pain and death upon another and do not deserve to live, unlike an innocent little baby. That's because it hasn't occurred to them that the "innocent harmless" fetus might be a liberal or an illegal alien trying to sneak into the country. Are you joking? Please say yes.
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Post by Pinkberry on Nov 9, 2008 19:56:33 GMT -11
Anyway I am absolutely pro death penalty. In fact, I think we should use it more often instead of letting those who have been sentenced to die, to sit in cells for 20 years on tax payer money while they wait, appeal after appeal, to once again have their sentence upheld. Given the technology of this day and age I think we should, in most cases be able to rightfully convict the criminal who did such horrendous crimes and deal with them in a timely matter.
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Nov 10, 2008 0:45:19 GMT -11
That's because it hasn't occurred to them that the "innocent harmless" fetus might be a liberal or an illegal alien trying to sneak into the country. Are you joking? Please say yes. He probably isn't, but I was pretty stunned and disappointed by his comment as well.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 10, 2008 4:43:00 GMT -11
Easy, ladies ... easy ... I was being facetious. When it comes to the death penalty and abortion, I am in alignment. I am totally opposed to both (except for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother).
However, I don't mind poking some fun at the pro-death people. The ones who think that killing is okay as long as you get the age of the victim right. Outside of war, killing is wrong (and I have some serious doubts about war too). It doesn't matter if it is the government or a mafia hit-man, it's just plain wrong.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Nov 10, 2008 9:10:40 GMT -11
I knew you were just trying to be goofy with that. That's why you got the response you did from me.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 10, 2008 9:15:06 GMT -11
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Post by Pinkberry on Nov 10, 2008 11:43:57 GMT -11
Easy, ladies ... easy ... I was being facetious. When it comes to the death penalty and abortion, I am in alignment. I am totally opposed to both (except for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother).
However, I don't mind poking some fun at the pro-death people. The ones who think that killing is okay as long as you get the age of the victim right. Outside of war, killing is wrong (and I have some serious doubts about war too). It doesn't matter if it is the government or a mafia hit-man, it's just plain wrong. I disagree. Then again I am pro-elected euthanasia. But thats a whole notha' can o' worms.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 10, 2008 13:17:35 GMT -11
Easy, ladies ... easy ... I was being facetious. When it comes to the death penalty and abortion, I am in alignment. I am totally opposed to both (except for rape, incest and to save the life of the mother).
However, I don't mind poking some fun at the pro-death people. The ones who think that killing is okay as long as you get the age of the victim right. Outside of war, killing is wrong (and I have some serious doubts about war too). It doesn't matter if it is the government or a mafia hit-man, it's just plain wrong. I disagree. Then again I am pro-elected euthanasia. But thats a whole notha' can o' worms. I have to say that I'm in agreement with you, Pink. Given special circumstances and all the other stuff. I am not totally opposed to it either. I think that the state of Oregon has something there.
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MysticalKnight
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Post by MysticalKnight on Nov 11, 2008 13:09:26 GMT -11
For the record I am very conservative, however, I may be able to shed some light on this issue. First off, it is important to note that liberals does not automatically = anti DP just like conservative does not = pro DP. I have met numerous people from both sides that are either pro or anti. Secondly, the reasons for being against DP vary and can not all be lumped into one reason. For instance, yes there are such people that do exist that seem to have more of a bleeding heart for monsters rather than victims. But there are also people who are against the DP because they feel that murder is wrong, even if it means legalized killing and feel that it should stop when a person is incarcerated, rather than carry on the legacy of death. Then there are others who feel that Death Row is an easy out for people that they feel should be forced and made to pay for the horrible thing they did for the rest of their natural born life. These people consider Death Row a release, that releases the scumbag of his responsibility since once he's dead he/she is free and no longer imprisoned and paying for what they did. So essentially in their mind those putting the monster to death are being much kinder to this scum than it is to force them to grow old and gray, alone in a dark cell, banging their head against the wall, praying for death. I think you did a great job of summarizing many of the stances out there on the death penalty Spooky. I am 100% against the death penalty in all cases. I've gotten into many debates about my stance, and have been asked, if someone were to murder my family member, would I still feel the same. Yes, I would. I've never been able to reconcile the justice of killing someone for killing someone. And the way that the death sentence is handed down staggers me. Some are put to death while others who have committed the same or even worse crimes live. And then there are the cases of innocent individuals executed. I believe in life sentences for those who cannot be rehabilitated.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Nov 11, 2008 14:32:42 GMT -11
I think you did a great job of summarizing many of the stances out there on the death penalty Spooky. I am 100% against the death penalty in all cases. I've gotten into many debates about my stance, and have been asked, if someone were to murder my family member, would I still feel the same. Yes, I would. I've never been able to reconcile the justice of killing someone for killing someone. And the way that the death sentence is handed down staggers me. Some are put to death while others who have committed the same or even worse crimes live. And then there are the cases of innocent individuals executed. I believe in life sentences for those who cannot be rehabilitated. Very good points, and you are absolutely right about the administration of the death penalty. I have looked through dozens of cases and left thinking about how I just saw three life sentence cases where the cruelty inflicted on the victim was just as bad as the guy who got death row; and these were in death row states. Then there is a woman on death row down in Texas who was the only one, out of 4 defendants that got death row, even though the one who's parents were murdered, and the master minder of it all, who's sister expressed fear of him, got life. I try to summarize as best as possible so that people from all sides of this debate, if not agree, can at least understand the other persons position. This is the one debate in particular where I see a lot of pre-conceived notions about opposing views in particular that result in communication break downs. You see many pros assuming that antis are automatically murderer sympathizers, and many antis assuming that pros are always blood thirsty. I think in the end, there is one thing that both sides can agree on, and that is, these cases are a complete tragedy all around, starting with the victim who lost their life senselessly. Death row or life, there is no winners, families (both the victims and the murderers family) are torn asunder.
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Post by MysticalKnight on Dec 13, 2008 7:57:11 GMT -11
I agree completely.
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