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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 4, 2008 12:01:58 GMT -11
Mhm. That interview with her did nothing to provoke any sympathy out of me for her. I also did not buy her explanation at all as to why she wrote that horrible thing about the world being a much better place without that 13 year old being alive. She means to say that in her infinite wisdom at the age of 19 she couldn't figure out a way to get rid of the account and stop all contact without saying the most hateful crappy thing she could think of? Bullshit she did not know how to simply delete the account, which would have taken less effort than what she did do. She said what she said in order to hurt the girl, and no other reason. Her explanation is a load of crap and I do not buy it for a minute. She belongs in jail with her scummy friend there, Lori Drew.
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Dec 4, 2008 13:08:19 GMT -11
Mhm. That interview with her did nothing to provoke any sympathy out of me for her. I also did not buy her explanation at all as to why she wrote that horrible thing about the world being a much better place without that 13 year old being alive. She means to say that in her infinite wisdom at the age of 19 she couldn't figure out a way to get rid of the account and stop all contact without saying the most hateful crappy thing she could think of? Bullshit she did not know how to simply delete the account, which would have taken less effort than what she did do. She said what she said in order to hurt the girl, and no other reason. Her explanation is a load of crap and I do not buy it for a minute. She belongs in jail with her scummy friend there, Lori Drew. Oh, I agree. Deleting an account takes all of 1 minute. "The world would be better off without you" is one of the most hurtful things one person could say to another. She was out to hurt that girl. She's disgusting.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 4, 2008 13:18:16 GMT -11
Oh, I agree. Deleting an account takes all of 1 minute. "The world would be better off without you" is one of the most hurtful things one person could say to another. She was out to hurt that girl. She's disgusting. Definitely no doubt about that. To see her then try to pretend that her disgusting mean words to this girl was good intentions sickens me. In reality this was a case of "it's all fun and games until some one gets hurt" I am sure she had a field day snickering about this girl with her little friends there until finding out that the girl died. Oh and the fact that she admits that the idea was birthed by her and the other 13 year old girl did not escape my attention either. The mother may have acted as an Orchestrator but it seems that her and the other girl had been first to conjure up the idea.
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Post by CougarBob on Dec 5, 2008 4:23:33 GMT -11
Oh, I agree. Deleting an account takes all of 1 minute. "The world would be better off without you" is one of the most hurtful things one person could say to another. She was out to hurt that girl. She's disgusting. Definitely no doubt about that. To see her then try to pretend that her disgusting mean words to this girl was good intentions sickens me. In reality this was a case of "it's all fun and games until some one gets hurt" I am sure she had a field day snickering about this girl with her little friends there until finding out that the girl died. Oh and the fact that she admits that the idea was birthed by her and the other 13 year old girl did not escape my attention either. The mother may have acted as an Orchestrator but it seems that her and the other girl had been first to conjure up the idea. I agree that she should be blamed. But this is the real world and we all know that if she had not come forward, there would never have been a case. We would have thought that it was a simple story of a young teenager with emotional problems killing herself.
The only thing even remotely positive that came out of this is that we know about it and several states have already passed laws protecting others from this kind of attack. This girl's life is forever affected. I am not in anyway forgiving her, but I am grateful that she came forward and we could learn the truth. The mother, Lori Drew, is still claiming total innocence. She was found guilty on 3 of the minor offenses, but the jury was hung on the major charge. If the prosecutors don't feel like they can make a case, they will not re-file, and Lori Drew will walk with a fine and suspended jail time, most likely.
The people I am most focused on are the parents of Megan Meiers. Their lives are destroyed by all this. They are in the process of getting a divorce. Who knows what kind of anger and accusations went on between them in the month and a half before the truth was known.
I guess the moral of the story is that kids do dumb stuff. Not because they are dumb, but because they are kids. Their life experience is almost nil. They think about doing something, then do it, then they think about the consequences.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 5, 2008 10:27:24 GMT -11
I agree that she should be blamed. But this is the real world and we all know that if she had not come forward, there would never have been a case. We would have thought that it was a simple story of a young teenager with emotional problems killing herself.The only thing even remotely positive that came out of this is that we know about it and several states have already passed laws protecting others from this kind of attack. This girl's life is forever affected. I am not in anyway forgiving her, but I am grateful that she came forward and we could learn the truth. She didn't have much of a choice but to come forward. Upon investigating the mean kid online, it was discovered that the account was fake and then the mother of the other girl was pointing it totally on her. She didn't come forward out of moral obligation, she came forward in order to defend herself against the other woman's claims and cop a deal. Do you think she would have ever came forward *if* the investigators had not looked into that account just to be a good Samaritan trying to clean her conscious? Maybe if they had decided to prosecute this 19 year old loser, they would have gotten the major charge to stick on her. Seems she really did do most of this. [/size][/font][/quote]Yes it is a horrible tragic sad thing they should never had to have gone through. I blame both these evil bitches for what they did to this little girl.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 5, 2008 12:41:50 GMT -11
Rechecking into this case, I found this article particularly interesting... cbs13.com/national/myspace.hoax.girl.2.570411.htmlFirst off it pretty much confirms that this 19 year old scum bucket did not come forward out of good will or feeling bad or any kind of moral obligation...IN fact, it was another girl within the 13 year old's peers who had access to this Josh account that revealed to her own mother that the account was faked... Another parent, who learned of the MySpace account from her own daughter who had access to the Josh profile, told Megan's parents about the hoax in a counselor's office about six weeks after Megan died. That's when they learned Josh was imaginary, they said.And this 19 year old describes herself as being NOT a mean person. Well let's see what else this not so mean person had to say in that account, besides telling this girl she was a bad person of which the world would be a better place without her... Then, Megan called her mother, saying electronic bulletins were being posted about her, saying things like, "Megan Meier is a slut. Megan Meier is fat."She can call herself whatever the heck she likes, but in my book people who decide that the best way to end a fake love affair with a young little 13 year old girl is by leaving messages like the above, goes beyond simply being a mean person, this person is a monster. Btw, before she called this little girl fat she should have looked in the mirror, as she doesn't exactly look like some one that has skipped too many opportunities to hit up the all you can eat buffets.
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Post by CougarBob on Dec 5, 2008 17:29:09 GMT -11
I never said she didn't come forward out of any other reason than feeling guilty and the fear that she might be prosecuted. I have not seen anything saying she did it to be a good girl and to be fair. I just said that if she had not come forward, we may have never known the whole story. Whoever this other girl is, she apparently did not cooperate with prosecutors or was unable to cooperate with prosecutors and therefore her testimony was useless. Prosecutors must have needed someone on the inside to build a case against the mom.
There very likely were even more girls who knew, or thought they knew, what was going on. Rumors in a middle school spread faster than a California wild fire. And everybody, "knows the whole story."
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Dec 6, 2008 2:55:24 GMT -11
I guess the moral of the story is that kids do dumb stuff. Not because they are dumb, but because they are kids. Their life experience is almost nil. They think about doing something, then do it, then they think about the consequences. IMHO, a person aged 19 is old enough to know better. No excuses.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 6, 2008 9:14:03 GMT -11
I never said she didn't come forward out of any other reason than feeling guilty and the fear that she might be prosecuted. I have not seen anything saying she did it to be a good girl and to be fair. I just said that if she had not come forward, we may have never known the whole story. But what you are missing and overlooking on is the fact that she had NO other choice BUT to say what she said. She had no choice but to tell what happened because the other woman was accusing HER of doing ALL of it. Now with that going on, it would have been incredibly stupid of her NOT to have told them the whole story since she was the one being implicated as the prime and sole suspect. She had no choice, unless she wanted to be the fool that took ALL the blame for it. I have to wonder where you are getting this idea that this 13 year old, the one that, 6 weeks later told her parents that the account was fake was not cooperating?? Obviously she WAS cooperating since it was because of her that they were able to know to investigate this my space account to figure out what was going on with it. And you call this helpful tip and information useless!? It's what ultimately led to the mother and her 19 year old scumpal getting caught. Further more, unless you were at the trial or have the trial transcripts you do not know whether or not her parents permitted her to take the stand. Well like I said the 19 year old had no other choice, it was either turn state's witness with the deal or she herself be the one in the hot seat. Because the mother said it was all her, she was forced to come forward, it has nothing to do with wanting to be the prosecutor's right hand woman or of any help. Why did it take another 13 year old 6 weeks later and not this 19 year old, in order for anyone to have a clue that the account was fake if this 19 year old was so interested in being helpful and clearing the air of what happened? Notice she didn't do anything like this UNTIL the point where she was having all the fingers pointed at her first.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 6, 2008 9:18:51 GMT -11
IMHO, a person aged 19 is old enough to know better. No excuses. I agree. 19 year olds are adults not children and they don't get to abuse a 13 year old and get treated with kiddie gloves or thought of as kids will be kids. This 19 year old adult has earned her scarlet letter quite well.
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Post by CougarBob on Dec 7, 2008 7:28:57 GMT -11
IMHO, a person aged 19 is old enough to know better. No excuses. I agree. 19 year olds are adults not children and they don't get to abuse a 13 year old and get treated with kiddie gloves or thought of as kids will be kids. This 19 year old adult has earned her scarlet letter quite well. They may be legally ALMOST adults, but in reality they are not. They don't have the maturity or life experience to be considered such except for being drafted. Which means we are sending kids out to be killed in our wars. But, that's another matter. Insurance companies always take the safe bet and they don't consider us to be adults until we are 25. That's when we are suddenly able to drive, apparently.
I don't know the story of the girl who came forward 6 weeks later. Did she really wait 6 weeks? Was she kept under wraps while the prosecutors built their case? How many other kids knew about it and still haven't come forward, or their parents are keeping them quiet?
At what point did the 19 year old get involved? We know what the press tell us, but how accurate is that? There are so many things in a case, especially one that is not finished yet, that are kept confidential. Some things are NEVER released to be prepared for appeals.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 8, 2008 7:42:44 GMT -11
See I will have to agree to disagree with you here. For starters, you are broad stroking all 19 year olds with the paint brush of immaturity and inexperience. I have met people at 19 that were wiser and more mature than many of the oldest adults I know. I have also known ones that had far more life experience in their short time than many others. At the same time, I have met adults in even their 50s that do not seem to have mentally matured beyond the age of 13. In many parts of the world 19 year olds are taking care of business, and running their homes. It has really be in our society that we have, for some reason inbred this idea that people of these age should automatically be dismissed as immature and lacking in experiences. Above and beyond this, 19 is more than old enough to have known better than to have sought to harass, humiliate and hurt a little 13 year old girl. However if you are anti draft, I agree with you on that point, I too am anti draft. Great questions and points. It is really not clear how this other 13 year old knew and you are probably right that she was kept under some sort of gag orders. It is very possible that others knew but their parents didn't want them involved. But according to her own mouth, in that interview of her, she says she and the 13 year old neighbor came up with the idea to create the fake Myspace account and that the mother agreed it was a great idea. So either she's lying about herself, which I doubt, or she was involved as early on as the first thoughts to start this whole thing up.
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Post by CougarBob on Dec 8, 2008 20:18:58 GMT -11
I am curious how the 19 year old was able to come forward on TV like that. Where were her parents and where is her lawyer? What the heck are they doing allowing her to be interviewed on TV?
I don't know about the other kids. But I would bet that there were several who knew. How involved they were is any-body's guess. But kids talk and I would bet there a several sets of parents Shhh-ing their kids.
19 year olds are semi-adults by law. But there is nothing magical that makes a kid too immature at 18 and *bing* the morning they turn 19 they are suddenly mature. If that is true then why do insurance companies maintain a higher rate until a person is 25? And who is to say that we magically change at 25 either. I'm just saying that young people act without thinking all the time. Sadly, sometimes those acts result in permanent results. Very very sad permanent results. I am not excusing her, I am explaining her.
The only person who legally and chronologically had the age and so-called maturity was the mom. She probably didn't foresee the result of their actions, but she sure enough turned coward when owning up came around.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Dec 9, 2008 12:39:20 GMT -11
I am curious how the 19 year old was able to come forward on TV like that. Where were her parents and where is her lawyer? What the heck are they doing allowing her to be interviewed on TV? Good questions. At 19 she is not required to have parents there but it might have been helpful for her to have them. Her attorney at that point would be the district attorney since she was state's evidence. I am surprised the DA did not advise against that kind of interview or put a gag order on her. But you are supporting my very point. You are absolutely right, there is nothing magical that happens which is why some people seem to never grow up mentally. 18 is the age that, by law, people are adults. However, I have met people as old as 50 that were so unbelievably immature that you wonder if they are a 12 year old trapped in an older body. Likewise I have met 18 year olds as wise as 60 year olds. So as far as adult mentality and maturity goes, I really believe it depends on the person in spite of what ages are lawfully considered adult. To me the important thing here is, was she old enough to have known better than to pick on a 13 year old? Also, she does not come across as a very immature 19 year old in her interview. In fact, she is well poised and spoken. Btw, Insurance companies cost more because of lack of driving experience. The same insurance companies charge a high rate for lets say a person who is 35 never drove before and just got their license. But so do people of ALL ages. Can you say that your statement is not also true about people who are 30, 40, 50 or 60 or over? To me, the key tenant here is was she, or was she not old enough to have known better than to have picked on a 13 year old girl? By the time she is 19 she is more than old enough to have known better. [/size][/font][/quote]What do you mean, legally at the age of maturity? The law doesn't recognize the differences in maturity level depending on age, once you are an adult by law, which the law says is 18 then you are expected to follow the laws and if you break the laws you take the charges like an adult. What if Lori Drew was a 19 year old neighbor and the 13 year old with her, was her kid sister, are you saying that this would have really made a difference in whether or not she was prosecuted? Of course not. To be honest, to me it would seem like the 19 year old involved is even more mature than her. I believe the deciding factor on who to charge may have even revolved around the fact that one of the adult ladies knew the girl suffered depression, while the other one didn't know. So now you have one of these jerks seeking to create emotional distress on a child that they KNOW suffers depression.
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Post by CougarBob on Dec 9, 2008 13:01:12 GMT -11
I am curious how the 19 year old was able to come forward on TV like that. Where were her parents and where is her lawyer? What the heck are they doing allowing her to be interviewed on TV? I never said anything about a legal age of maturity. I don't know what that would be. I said there were two factors with the mom. (1) she was legally of adult age, and (2) she was assumed to be mature because of her chronological age. Obviously that is in error. She displayed no maturity that I've seen. The 19 year old is only partially an adult by law. She can vote, she assumed to an adult, and (if a boy) can be drafted and killed in a war. But the reality of the situation is that people don't turn mature just because the law has set some arbitrary number as the magic adult age. Does it make the 19 year old any less culpable? NO. Does it make her actions forgivable? That's up to each individual. The 19 year old was the computer ghuru of the group. The mom was supposed to be the adult. Her daughter seems to be walking away scot free. I think she also deserves a few "shame on you's".
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