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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 1, 2008 9:45:40 GMT -11
Now I have tried to get into this show, and I can see that the men on it mean well and are really trying but to me it's kind of a sleeper. But then again, I'm not the best judger of UFO kind of shows since I tend to be less interested in the subject. I am sure that those that are very fascinated by UFO things may really enjoy it.
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Post by chrissy on May 1, 2008 9:56:29 GMT -11
I agree with you spooky , Im not to fond of the show or the subject. Its to me a wild goose chase. You cant find something that doesnt want to be found. I understand Ghost hunting is not always a guarentee , but UFO hunting I think is a needle in a hay stack search. Atleast with GH hunting you can have evidencce a sound. photo etc etc. What can you have of a UFO? Not like you find a piece of a craft on the floor or get the experience 1st hand, you have to go off word of mouth, which is the most UNcreditable and Unreliable source of evidence. So, I watched one episode and turned it off. Couldnt do it.
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Post by JoeGeist on May 1, 2008 19:37:16 GMT -11
I like the idea of UfO's but since computers came along I don't trust any footage. you can superimpose anything w/ photoshop. You are both rigth this show is a sleeper.
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Post by hoobsmom on May 1, 2008 19:56:15 GMT -11
Well I watched the UFO Hunters on Scifi and they only showed 1 I think. What the heck. It was lame. But I liked the show.
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Post by stick28 on May 15, 2008 4:27:20 GMT -11
I read the blurb about Phantasm, and it clearly mentions UFOs. I think that also means aliens (as in ETs) and that means Martians! My daughter sent me this link the other day. I don't buy it for a second, but it's definitely fuel for a discussion. Please note: The guy in the video mentions "Page 21" but the images do not always appear on the same page. You can search for the image in question by name - search for "Hale" on the ESA mars image site to see the actual image (I'll attach it as well). www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcR7VX-FwDY&feature=related The image in question:
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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 15, 2008 9:22:57 GMT -11
Thank you for that very interesting video with demonstration, Stick! The big problem is that the author crudely overlooks the fact that naturally occuring geometrical patterns DO happen even on this earth (even very complex ones) inspite of whether or not intelligent designers also do this. Plus we know very little about the rocks and stuff on Mars to be coming to conclusions as to what can and can not naturally occur there. With these in mind natural occurance can't be as dismissed as the author tries o make it seem. Here is an article I found useful pertaining to the subject of intricate pattern formation occuring naturally on many levels of nature: www.heartcom.org/geoascent.htm
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Post by stick28 on May 15, 2008 13:55:46 GMT -11
Thank you for that very interesting video with demonstration, Stick! The big problem is that the author crudely overlooks the fact that naturally occuring geometrical patterns DO happen even on this earth (even very complex ones) inspite of whether or not intelligent designers also do this. Plus we know very little about the rocks and stuff on Mars to be coming to conclusions as to what can and can not naturally occur there. With these in mind natural occurance can't be as dismissed as the author tries o make it seem. Here is an article I found useful pertaining to the subject of intricate pattern formation occuring naturally on many levels of nature: www.heartcom.org/geoascent.htmYou're right, of course. Geometric patterns occur naturally. In the video the author identifies a face in the hillside, which he assumes is a non-natural monument, but another view of the same location shows cleary that it is just hills and shadows. Further, these planetary images are not taken the same way our personal cameras take photos. Computer programs assign colors, and use interpolation to fill in missing image data. That process can cause results similar to what the author identifies as roads and buildings. The blurring that he says is an attempt to hide artifacts is likely just the result of the image creation process. But it's fun to think about... And it's interesting to see how badly some people want to find evidence of life "out there."
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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 15, 2008 14:02:39 GMT -11
Very well said and you are right! He is really reaching to find existing of intelligent life either there or once there.
As for the face I have to chalk that up to his attempt as persuasive argumentation rather than an obvious face. In fact, I still couldn't see the face he was talking about. I think if he wasn't trying hard to make it seem like a face monument, no one would have given that section a second look saying "Ooh wow a face!"
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Post by stick28 on May 16, 2008 0:37:38 GMT -11
Here are 2 pics. One is the "face." The other is the same location from a different angle. The first does look like a face, the 2nd definitely not.
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Post by CougarBob on May 16, 2008 3:27:20 GMT -11
There was a show on the History channel called (I think) "Life after Humans". It showed how the planet would change if all humans simply disappeared. It went through 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, 10 years, etc. Slowly all signs of human existence disappears. After 100,000 years, there was no sign of humans at all. None. Except, they say, some evidence like Mount Rushmore might remain. The speculated that whatever intelligence replaces humans (if anything does) might look at Mount Rushmore and wonder what it is and who made it.
If there was ever a civilization on Mars, it would have been gone for more than a million years. Would there be anything for us to find and recognize?
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Post by stick28 on May 16, 2008 8:16:36 GMT -11
If there was ever a civilization on Mars, it would have been gone for more than a million years. Would there be anything for us to find and recognize? Why more than a million years as opposed to 10,000 years?
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Post by cbc72 on May 16, 2008 9:09:38 GMT -11
I would have to look this up, but I believe there is evidence that climate-wise, Mars would not have supported life on the surface 10,000 years ago - but may have been able to millions of years ago. Likely due to Solar intensity and maybe orbit changes.
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Post by cbc72 on May 16, 2008 9:13:09 GMT -11
Here is some information. homepage.ntlworld.com/heather.hobden1/Mars.htmHistory of Mars Information gathered from the expeditions and from the Hubble space telescope, confirmed that Mars has water. There is frost on its surface and at its polar caps. there are also small clouds in its thin atmosphere. Apparent old river beds show that Mars once had much more water. The Northern hemisphere is low-lying. Two thirds of Mars is upland in the southern hemisphere. A line of dichotomy divides the old southern cratered surface from the northern newer surface, and goes round the bulge of the volcanic area of Tharsis, the third main physical region of Mars. The history of Mars has been divided in epochs: 1. Early Noachian up to 4.400 million years ago 2. Late Noachian to 3.800 million years ago 3. Hesperian to 3.500 million years ago 4. Early Amazonian to 2.300 million years ago 5. Middle Amazonian to 700 million years ago 6. Late Amazonian to present. The main period of cratering stopped in the Hesperian. The rivers date from the Early to Late Noachian. There were huge floods up to the Early Amazonian with lakes and seas. What had happened in that although the small size of Mars did not enable it to hold on to a thick atmosphere for long and much water vapour, water survived as ice under the surface like permafrost. The volcanism on Tharsis caused the floods and it melted the permafrost. It can be seen that lakes and even small seas formed over 3,000 million years ago on Mars. It is possible to see the chaotic areas of terrain where this happened and water was carried in rivers into standing lakes or seas. These areas are the sites of possible early life, which is to be looked for by the next probes to Mars.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 16, 2008 12:58:39 GMT -11
Hear are 2 pics. One is the "face." The other is the same location from a different angle. The first does look like a face, the 2nd definitely not. I don't know! lol Maybe there really is something wrong with my eyes! lol I still do not see the face even in the one that you say does look like a face. Could you dumb it down for me a bit, and point out how and what I am suppose to look at to recognize as a face? lol *blushes* I feel so blonde today! lol
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Post by stick28 on May 16, 2008 17:56:08 GMT -11
I don't know! lol Maybe there really is something wrong with my eyes! lol I still do not see the face even in the one that you say does look like a face. Could you dumb it down for me a bit, and point out how and what I am suppose to look at to recognize as a face? lol *blushes* I feel so blonde today! lol You need a really good imagination - kind of like trying to "hear" what an EVP is saying. But here is a labeled view.
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