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Post by hoobsmom on Jun 7, 2008 17:58:59 GMT -11
Joe you sound just like the guys in the moviefilm that confused me in the first place. But.... I have a swimsuit--in a larger size--just like that... I know you have that suit Ifp you left it at my house last time you were here.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 8, 2008 4:32:18 GMT -11
So I says, "Super collider? I just met her!"
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 8, 2008 5:03:49 GMT -11
Check out the ad at the top of the page. LMAO
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Post by krystalmoore1986 on Jun 8, 2008 7:31:15 GMT -11
lol mine is womens swimwear!!
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Post by stick28 on Jun 8, 2008 8:44:30 GMT -11
Here is a simple way to look at the whole multi-dimensional thingy... Lets compare our world as we know it (3 dimensions plus time), to a 2 dimensional world (plus time). We could represent that world as a flat piece of paper. You could draw a square to represent a house belonging to Mr Flat. Mr Flat is sitting comfortably inside his flat square house, just minding his own business. When suddenly... A horrible 3D alien (that would be you) puts their cup of coffee on top of his world! In fact, the coffee cup actually appears right in the middle of Mr Flat’s living room as if out of no where. Mr Flat couldn't see it approaching, because he only perceives reality in 2D! Only the horrible 3D alien can understand how it got there through the 2D walls of Mr Flat's very solid (from his perspective) house. And Mr Flat can't even see the whole cup; he only sees the part of it that intersects with his 2D world. If the 3D alien picks up the coffee cup and moves it to a different spot on the paper, from Mr Flat's perspective it would look as if the cup suddenly and inexplicably disappeared and then reappeared in a different spot. (Of course the 3D alien will do this just to freak out poor Mr Flat.) Then a 4D alien (a theoretical creature) decides to play a similar prank on the 3D alien. The 4D alien drops his coffee cup into the 3D world. From our perspective, it just appears out of no where because we are unable to perceive the dimension where it came from. We can’t see the entire 4D cup, just the 3D aspects of it that intersect with our 3D world. It freaks us out just like we freaked out Mr Flat (who says there is no Karma in Quantum Physics). That's a pretty good explanation, Sandstone. Trying to understand the undelying math, physics, and the 11 deminsions, and the fact that potentially everything that can happen does (or doesn't) is too much for most people. You reach a point an you scream Ahhhhhhhhhhh, and run. I've watched the movie a couple of times, and I've been getting the 'What the Bleep...' newsletter for years. I still have no chance in hell of grasping it. But that's OK. I'm doing just fine right where I am. BTW: To Mr Flat it would not look like a ciffee cup. It would look like a... CROP CIRCLE! BTW#2: At least one thing I know - in some universe somewhere the MBD show never happened. ;D
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Post by sandstone on Jun 8, 2008 10:38:11 GMT -11
Here is a simple way to look at the whole multi-dimensional thingy... Lets compare our world as we know it (3 dimensions plus time), to a 2 dimensional world (plus time). We could represent that world as a flat piece of paper. You could draw a square to represent a house belonging to Mr Flat. Mr Flat is sitting comfortably inside his flat square house, just minding his own business. When suddenly... A horrible 3D alien (that would be you) puts their cup of coffee on top of his world! In fact, the coffee cup actually appears right in the middle of Mr Flat’s living room as if out of no where. Mr Flat couldn't see it approaching, because he only perceives reality in 2D! Only the horrible 3D alien can understand how it got there through the 2D walls of Mr Flat's very solid (from his perspective) house. And Mr Flat can't even see the whole cup; he only sees the part of it that intersects with his 2D world. If the 3D alien picks up the coffee cup and moves it to a different spot on the paper, from Mr Flat's perspective it would look as if the cup suddenly and inexplicably disappeared and then reappeared in a different spot. (Of course the 3D alien will do this just to freak out poor Mr Flat.) Then a 4D alien (a theoretical creature) decides to play a similar prank on the 3D alien. The 4D alien drops his coffee cup into the 3D world. From our perspective, it just appears out of no where because we are unable to perceive the dimension where it came from. We can’t see the entire 4D cup, just the 3D aspects of it that intersect with our 3D world. It freaks us out just like we freaked out Mr Flat (who says there is no Karma in Quantum Physics). That's a pretty good explanation, Sandstone. Trying to understand the undelying math, physics, and the 11 deminsions, and the fact that potentially everything that can happen does (or doesn't) is too much for most people. You reach a point an you scream Ahhhhhhhhhhh, and run. I've watched the movie a couple of times, and I've been getting the 'What the Bleep...' newsletter for years. I still have no chance in hell of grasping it. But that's OK. I'm doing just fine right where I am. BTW: To Mr Flat it would not look like a ciffee cup. It would look like a... CROP CIRCLE! BTW#2: At least one thing I know - in some universe somewhere the MBD show never happened. ;D We could have even more fun with Mr Flat... If we crumpled up his world, from his perspective it would still be flat (because he only perceives things in 2D), but parts of it would be touching, possibly forming 'portals' or 'wormholes' from one location to another location that may be very far apart in a 2D perspective. What if Mr Flat, unlike all of his neighbors, evolved the ability to perceive things in 3D? He could see things coming out of no where and warn his neighbors about the horrible aliens (but they would think he was crazy). Poor Mr Flat, he now lives at the Institute. What would happen if some humans occasionally perceived things in more than 3 dimensions? They might get glimpses into things coming that the rest of us can't... I could go on and on with this stuff, (ie. why should time only be perceived sequentially?) but I'm probably boring you with all the nerd talk.
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Post by krystalmoore1986 on Jun 8, 2008 10:49:59 GMT -11
I am so interested and almost grasping some of the mr flat talk but am still confused at how i could get hurt by something that doesnt touch me and how something could be in two places at once. Off topic that movie is filmed in portland you see the max train, skidmore fountain, the goose hollow max stop downtown, and many other portland, OR landmarks.
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Post by stick28 on Jun 8, 2008 11:11:17 GMT -11
I am so interested and almost grasping some of the mr flat talk but am still confused at how i could get hurt by something that doesnt touch me and how something could be in two places at once. Off topic that movie is filmed in portland you see the max train, skidmore fountain, the goose hollow max stop downtown, and many other portland, OR landmarks. Well, I'm sure no expert, but I understand that physicists have been able to prove that matter can be in 2 places at the same time. In fact, it becomes impossible to observe some subatomic particles because they exists elsewhere at the time you are observing them. And here's the interesting part - if the SubA pieces can exist in morethan one place simultaneously, then the larger pieces of which they are a part (that's us) can be in 2 places at the same time as well. So far, it seems we aren't aware if it, though. In fact I seem to have the opposite problem - I never seem to be where I'm supposed to be. Just ask my wife.
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Post by chrissy on Jun 8, 2008 13:25:39 GMT -11
dear god why did i open this thread! lol
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Post by nowhammies on Jun 8, 2008 13:31:28 GMT -11
I think there are sort of two "branches" of quantum physics. There is the very scientific branch, like ifp was talking about, and then there is the more spiritual branch - as in What the Bleep. I've spent some time with both, and it kind of comes down to a matter of interpretation, I suppose. If you are interested in the more spiritual interpretation of quantum physics, then you might be interested in books like "The Field" by Lynn McTaggert and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. When you get into the very scientific aspects of Quantum Mechanics - someone says (and I can't remember who), that if you think you understand QM, then you don't understand it. I only see little teeny bits and pieces of it, and it is fascinating - but also very strange. The first thing I read about QM was Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe" - which was okay. Also, The Bit and the Pendulum by Tom Siegfried is an interesting read. I believe that the answers to the paranormal lie in quantum physics. The scientific kind. I have some theories - but I have a headache, and lack the brainpower to explain it all today. Maybe another day.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 8, 2008 13:56:55 GMT -11
I think there are sort of two "branches" of quantum physics. There is the very scientific branch, like ifp was talking about, and then there is the more spiritual branch - as in What the Bleep. I've spent some time with both, and it kind of comes down to a matter of interpretation, I suppose. If you are interested in the more spiritual interpretation of quantum physics, then you might be interested in books like "The Field" by Lynn McTaggert and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. When you get into the very scientific aspects of Quantum Mechanics - someone says (and I can't remember who), that if you think you understand QM, then you don't understand it. I only see little teeny bits and pieces of it, and it is fascinating - but also very strange. The first thing I read about QM was Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe" - which was okay. Also, The Bit and the Pendulum by Tom Siegfried is an interesting read. I believe that the answers to the paranormal lie in quantum physics. The scientific kind. I have some theories - but I have a headache, and lack the brainpower to explain it all today. Maybe another day. I've also read Brian Greene's book like you said it was ok. I honestly wasn't a super fan of this book. Steven Weinbergs book Dreams of a Final Theory was good but technical. I also enjoy Lee Smolin, and Astronmer Royal Martin Rees. Smolin and Rees deal more w/ cosmology as opposed to quantum theory but still good reads nonetheless.
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Post by krystalmoore1986 on Jun 8, 2008 14:25:44 GMT -11
<<<<Banging head on desktop!>>>>>
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Post by nowhammies on Jun 8, 2008 15:52:57 GMT -11
We're sort of dorky in my house. We actually discuss things like quantum physics a lot. Fortunately Mr. Whammy has a pretty good grasp of this stuff, so I quiz him relentlessly, and typically he can dumb it down enough for me. I've always been fascinated by the subject, so I wind up reading a lot about it, and then asking him to explain it to me.
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Post by krystalmoore1986 on Jun 8, 2008 17:31:49 GMT -11
We're sort of dorky in my house. We actually discuss things like quantum physics a lot. Fortunately Mr. Whammy has a pretty good grasp of this stuff, so I quiz him relentlessly, and typically he can dumb it down enough for me. I've always been fascinated by the subject, so I wind up reading a lot about it, and then asking him to explain it to me. Tell him to sign his butt on here and dumb it down for me!
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Post by ifpthenq on Jun 8, 2008 18:07:49 GMT -11
I think there are sort of two "branches" of quantum physics. There is the very scientific branch, like ifp was talking about, and then there is the more spiritual branch - as in What the Bleep. I've spent some time with both, and it kind of comes down to a matter of interpretation, I suppose. If you are interested in the more spiritual interpretation of quantum physics, then you might be interested in books like "The Field" by Lynn McTaggert and "The Dancing Wu Li Masters" by Gary Zukav. When you get into the very scientific aspects of Quantum Mechanics - someone says (and I can't remember who), that if you think you understand QM, then you don't understand it. I only see little teeny bits and pieces of it, and it is fascinating - but also very strange. The first thing I read about QM was Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe" - which was okay. Also, The Bit and the Pendulum by Tom Siegfried is an interesting read. I believe that the answers to the paranormal lie in quantum physics. The scientific kind. I have some theories - but I have a headache, and lack the brainpower to explain it all today. Maybe another day. I've also read Brian Greene's book like you said it was ok. I honestly wasn't a super fan of this book. Steven Weinbergs book Dreams of a Final Theory was good but technical. I also enjoy Lee Smolin, and Astronmer Royal Martin Rees. Smolin and Rees deal more w/ cosmology as opposed to quantum theory but still good reads nonetheless. You know it is sad--B. Greene is a very bright guy (take a look at some K theory math and you realize that all string theorists are intelligent), but he seems to be the poster boy for dumbed down string theory. Though he does publish scholarly works on Strings--his legacy will be explaining the complexities of the current champion of difficult theories to the lay public! PGA
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