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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Jun 4, 2008 6:55:00 GMT -11
It appears that Grant is disappointed that the place is rigged and that is about all they show other than they discover that the place is rigged! Yes, upon apparently discovering a mechanism in the ceiling controlling the hanging bar lamps.... Grant: "Come on, what's that all about?" Jay (with folded arms): "I disgusted right now." Here's the part that was edited out of that cip.... Michael Rhodes (to Jay and Grant): "Ahhh, come on, what's up with your research, guys?" Folded arms, "I'm disgusted right now." Michael
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Post by literarysnob on Jun 4, 2008 7:01:05 GMT -11
I love it when Grant gets mad and sulks !!! It just shows how mature he is NOT!!!
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Post by sandstone on Jun 4, 2008 7:08:16 GMT -11
It appears that Grant is disappointed that the place is rigged and that is about all they show other than they discover that the place is rigged! Yes, upon apparently discovering a mechanism in the ceiling controlling the hanging bar lamps.... Grant: "Come on, what's that all about?" Jay (with folded arms): "I disgusted right now." Here's the part that was edited out of that cip.... Michael Rhodes (to Jay and Grant): "Ahhh, come on, what's up with your research, guys?" Folded arms, "I'm disgusted right now." Michael So Grant finds something strange and Jason has to explain it to him. Wow! What an original episode. It was really nice of Grant to give Jason something important to do. If Grant had done the logical research before the investigation took place... Well, that might have made Jason look unmanly.
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Post by krystalmoore1986 on Jun 4, 2008 7:35:03 GMT -11
I seriously cannot wait for this episode.
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Post by stick28 on Jun 4, 2008 7:39:24 GMT -11
I seriously cannot wait for this episode. Ditto!
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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Jun 4, 2008 8:35:13 GMT -11
So Grant finds something strange and Jason has to explain it to him. Wow! What an original episode. It was really nice of Grant to give Jason something important to do. If Grant had done the logical research before the investigation took place... Well, that might have made Jason look unmanly. It looks like they discover the mechanism together. I'm kind of surprised that no one has posted a question to Jay or Grant or Kris about "the information" on their myself pages. I haven't checked in the last day, but I didn't see anything two days ago. Michael
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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Jun 4, 2008 8:37:21 GMT -11
[/quote].. on their myself pages. ...Michael[/quote]
Ha. How's that for an egocentric interpretation of myspace?
Michael
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Post by stick28 on Jun 4, 2008 9:08:03 GMT -11
.. on their myself pages. ...Michael[/quote] Ha. How's that for an egocentric interpretation of myspace? Michael[/quote] Maybe you were Channeling Jason.
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Post by sandstone on Jun 4, 2008 12:04:46 GMT -11
So Grant finds something strange and Jason has to explain it to him. Wow! What an original episode. It was really nice of Grant to give Jason something important to do. If Grant had done the logical research before the investigation took place... Well, that might have made Jason look unmanly. It looks like they discover the mechanism together.I'm kind of surprised that no one has posted a question to Jay or Grant or Kris about "the information" on their myself pages. I haven't checked in the last day, but I didn't see anything two days ago. Michael I should have known Grant wouldn't get to do anything too important. You know, I had to read that a few times before I realized what was wrong. Are you sure Jason doesn't really have a myself page instead of a myspace page?
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Post by stick28 on Jun 4, 2008 15:09:07 GMT -11
Having just seen the episode, here are my feelings:
I suspect the fact that the MBD was rigged was withheld from J and G intentionally, by the producers, simply for entertainment value. J and G probably seldom do any research on their own, and worked with the info they were given. I can't believe the producers didn't research the place, and if Kris W researched it, she was probably asked to hold back the info.
J and G seemed honestly put out, and they are not good, or even average actors, so I doubt they faked the bad feelings and frustration.
I feel sorry for the poor manager who had to be in on the plot to fool J and G, and had to take the heat for it.
Bad producers! Go to your rooms!
I'm eager to hear everyone else's opinions.
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Post by literarysnob on Jun 4, 2008 15:39:59 GMT -11
My question is how does he "forget" all about those rigged things when everything he has just told them that people have experienced is the same things that are rigged? Bad liar!!! Jay and Grant just look like fools!!!
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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Jun 4, 2008 16:00:11 GMT -11
Moss Beach Distillery Episode: Commentary
The episode pretty much turned out as I said it would (contrary to what several TAPS fans said in different forums), except that the episode really overplayed how uninformed TAPS was about the Distillery. I think this was mentioned over a dozen times in the episode. Yeah, I think we got the idea.
Here are some sober thoughts:
(1) As I indicated in earlier posts in anticipation of this episode, it's widely known that Moss Beach Distillery is rigged. (See the note I posted from Loyd Auerbach several days ago). This can be determined by a one-minute search on Google. However, it appears (from the Cape Cod episode) that TAPS chooses to do their research after the fact, rather than before their investigations. They might reconsider that methodology.
(2) Jay mentions at the very beginning of the episode segment that TAPS has heard *a lot* about the Distillery from TAPS family members in California. Interesting. Are we to conclude from this that TAPS family members didn't know about these effects or they knew about them but *they* chose not to tell Jay or Grant. If these TAPS family member groups are from the Bay Area, they should have known about the rigged effects. If they didn't, TAPS might consider removing them from the TAPS family list.
(3) "I have no reason to believe the place is haunted." Grant
The claim, made by both Jay and Grant, that there's "no evidence" that the Distillery is haunted, is an unwarranted claim. (Jay goes further and claims at one point that he's inclined to draw the conclusion that the Distillery is not haunted.) Loyd Auerbach and other researchers have documented haunting phenomena at this location for many years. Someone might want to send Jay and Grant a copy of Auerbach's *Paranormal Casebook* so they can get better informed about the data. All that follows from TAPS' investigation is that *they* didn't capture evidence.
(4) "Even if you caught evidence, how could you trust it?" Jay
There's only so much mileage to be had from Jay's repeated claim throughout this segment that rigged effects at the Distillery undercut confirmation or verification of genuine phenomena there. Even if there's something to this point in general, it doesn't apply so nicely to the Distillery. If TAPS had done their homework, TAPS would have known precisely how the Distillery is rigged.
Recall the observations made by Auerbach in the post I forwarded to the group several days ago:
"However, the effects were deliberately set up with specific lamps that were not previously reported as moving (it was other lamps), a different mirror in the ladies room (different from the mirror where the ghost's image has been seen multiple times), etc."
"The computer records all simulated effects, and individual activations. In that way, if there's any question as to whether 'the ghost did it' or not, there's a record to check."
TAPS went into this place cold, and we saw exactly what happens when this sort of methodology is employed. Cold investigations are a bad idea.
(5) It was suggested by a moderator on the Sci-Fi forum that TAPS really did know the Distillery was rigged and that this episode was designed to prove TAPS' debunking abilities to a less than perceptive audience. If this is so, Grant's complaint that the Distillery is deliberately deceiving people is a great example of the pot calling the kettle black. We should all feel that this was "wasted time."
On the whole, this episode demonstrated TAPS shoddy research skills and grossly misrepresented the Distillery. Grant was right to have questioned whether this episode should have even aired. Bad decision guys.
Michael
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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Jun 4, 2008 16:04:45 GMT -11
Having just seen the episode, here are my feelings: J and G seemed honestly put out, and they are not good, or even average actors, so I doubt they faked the bad feelings and frustration. I feel sorry for the poor manager who had to be in on the plot to fool J and G, and had to take the heat for it. Stick, Spencer Gray is the executive chef. He's neither the owner nor the manager. www.mossbeachdistillery.com/chef.htmlThis is suspicious in itself. Why this guy? I don't think this guy has been there that long. And his claim to want "someone to put to rest these questions that have been haunting us" is nonsensical given the work of previous investigators at the Distillery. Michael
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Post by sandstone on Jun 4, 2008 16:13:09 GMT -11
Having just seen the episode, here are my feelings: J and G seemed honestly put out, and they are not good, or even average actors, so I doubt they faked the bad feelings and frustration. I feel sorry for the poor manager who had to be in on the plot to fool J and G, and had to take the heat for it. Stick, Spencer Gray is the executive chef. He's neither the owner nor the manager. www.mossbeachdistillery.com/chef.htmlThis is suspicious in itself. Why this guy? I don't think this guy has been there that long. And his claim to want "someone to put to rest these questions that have been haunting us" is nonsensical given the work of previous investigators at the Distillery. Michael Hey, some people will do anything to get on TV. Maybe he is trying to sell a show for himself on the food network?
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Post by hoobsmom on Jun 4, 2008 16:18:56 GMT -11
OK it is very funny over on Scifi people are really upset about someone trying to fool J and G. What a load of crap. I think it was all for show. Because it is a TV show.
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