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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 26, 2008 12:08:58 GMT -11
By MARK SHERMAN, AP Posted: 2008-06-26 13:38:32 Filed Under: Nation News WASHINGTON (June 26) - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a constitutional right to keep guns in their homes for self-defense, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun control in U.S. history. The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most federal firearms restrictions intact. news.aol.com/story/_a/supreme-court-throws-out-handgun-ban/20080626072409990001?icid=100214839x1204882276x1200207458
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Post by Pinkberry on Jun 26, 2008 19:20:26 GMT -11
Its about time our government started following its own laws.
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Post by «Foz» on Jun 27, 2008 3:37:05 GMT -11
Its about time our government started following its own laws. I second that.
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Post by rachbeall on Jun 27, 2008 5:36:54 GMT -11
I third it!
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 28, 2008 8:44:26 GMT -11
It will be interesting to see what long-range impact, if any, this decision has on local and state laws.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 28, 2008 8:47:06 GMT -11
Considering that criminals who carry hand guns don't give a hoot about the laws any way, much less pay attention to them, I see this decision has enabling more law abiding citizens that do care about the laws being able to have a hand gun.
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Post by chrissy on Jun 28, 2008 9:00:18 GMT -11
I just wonder how board people are in charge that they need to keep going over and over the laws that are written in fine print from the day one . As Spooky said, legal or not... the wrong people are going to have guns, so why not make it ok for the right people to have them as well.
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 28, 2008 9:33:15 GMT -11
Considering that criminals who carry hand guns don't give a hoot about the laws any way, much less pay attention to them, I see this decision has enabling more law abiding citizens that do care about the laws being able to have a hand gun. Actually, the Supreme Court only recognised that citizens had the right to own a handgun. Carrying it about is a totally different matter. And, the decision does not "enable" anything. It only clarifies an inalienable (God-given) right as listed in the Bill of Rights. Sorry, Spooky, all atheists must therefore turn in their handguns *LOL* since they do not recognise the source of the right. ;D
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 28, 2008 9:39:00 GMT -11
Considering that criminals who carry hand guns don't give a hoot about the laws any way, much less pay attention to them, I see this decision has enabling more law abiding citizens that do care about the laws being able to have a hand gun. Actually, the Supreme Court only recognised that citizens had the right to own a handgun. Carrying it about is a totally different matter. And, the decision does not "enable" anything. It only clarifies an inalienable (God-given) right as listed in the Bill of Rights. Sorry, Spooky, all atheists must therefore turn in their handguns *LOL* since they do not recognise the source of the right. ;DIn NY you need a special permit to be able to carry a handgun on your person. I don't know about anywhere else, I would suspect it's much the same every where.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 28, 2008 9:42:59 GMT -11
Actually, the Supreme Court only recognised that citizens had the right to own a handgun. Carrying it about is a totally different matter. And, the decision does not "enable" anything. It only clarifies an inalienable (God-given) right as listed in the Bill of Rights. Sorry, Spooky, all atheists must therefore turn in their handguns *LOL* since they do not recognise the source of the right. ;DI'm sorry but could you point out to me where I said citizens can CARRY them on them everywhere?? I am really not seeing it in my statement here when I said.... "I see this decision has enabling more law abiding citizens that do care about the laws being able to have a hand gun. " Having a hand gun and carrying one around with you, in my book are two different things. THe ONLY people that I even recognized as "carrying" them are criminals, and they surely do. So I fail to see what this splitting hairs tactic is all about. As for your Atheist comment, so in other words you don't think that those that believe in God believe that everyone has rights? I always took that statement to mean that the believers felt that god gives the rights, to everyone of a land, and worship of the God is not a requirement. If you look over the same bill of rights it also specifies freedom of religion.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 28, 2008 9:45:17 GMT -11
In NY you need a special permit to be able to carry a handgun on your person. I don't know about anywhere else, I would suspect it's much the same every where. In Florida you need a permit but it's not as strict as in Mass or NY. All you need for a concealed weapons permit is a day in class for gun safety and you get issued that permit after class is over.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 28, 2008 9:54:14 GMT -11
In NY you need a special permit to be able to carry a handgun on your person. I don't know about anywhere else, I would suspect it's much the same every where. In Florida you need a permit but it's not as strict as in Mass or NY. All you need for a concealed weapons permit is a day in class for gun safety and you get issued that permit after class is over. YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAW ...Florida here I come!
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 28, 2008 11:20:24 GMT -11
Actually, the Supreme Court only recognised that citizens had the right to own a handgun. Carrying it about is a totally different matter. And, the decision does not "enable" anything. It only clarifies an inalienable (God-given) right as listed in the Bill of Rights. Sorry, Spooky, all atheists must therefore turn in their handguns *LOL* since they do not recognise the source of the right. ;D I'm sorry but could you point out to me where I said citizens can CARRY them on them everywhere?? I am really not seeing it in my statement here when I said.... "I see this decision has enabling more law abiding citizens that do care about the laws being able to have a hand gun. " Having a hand gun and carrying one around with you, in my book are two different things. THe ONLY people that I even recognized as "carrying" them are criminals, and they surely do. So I fail to see what this splitting hairs tactic is all about.
As for your Atheist comment, so in other words you don't think that those that believe in God believe that everyone has rights? I always took that statement to mean that the believers felt that god gives the rights, to everyone of a land, and worship of the God is not a requirement. If you look over the same bill of rights it also specifies freedom of religion. I totally agree. I was just teasing you. But, it is an interesting argument if the source of something is not recognized, is the something still acceptable? Just a "poser". Like a tree falling in the forest ... My statement had nothing to do with what the believers might think or not think. Geez, try to get them to even agree on something. *LOL* I was speaking strictly from the Atheists' point of view.
Oh, the carrying thing came from your opening sentence: "Considering that criminals who carry hand guns don't give a hoot about the laws any way ..." Even though you don't mention it in the rest of your post. But, you're right, the decision had no impact on criminals.
I think Texas has the most lenient laws on using a handgun. I could be wrong. Don't know what they say about carrying one. I know they just passed a new law making it easier to shoot someone before they actually break into your house. The first test was a guy who shot an intruder while the intruder was still on the porch. The homeowner saw the burglar's silhouette in the window and plugged him. Which is what they do to a bad hombre in Texas.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 28, 2008 11:30:32 GMT -11
Certainly! The people that wrote the Bill of rights were Christians. Their point of view is that basic things in life are God Given. They did not say that ONLY God believers should have these rights and no one else. For example, there are some denominations, that believe that every tiny little thing invented including grammar rules are God's invention. I had a friend that went to a Pentecostal school that would point out that everything, including a comma in a sentence is something God made. Now you on the other hand, while you may believe in God, you may also recognize that people independently invent things and may not agree that God invented the comma. However, just because they say God does, doesn't mean that you have to reject the usage of commas. I look at the bill of rights saying "God Given" the same way. The Christians who believe that GOd gives humans basic human rights, feel that they apply to everyone. An Atheist might say they do not agree that God gave them, but acknowledge basic rights. Ahh way off topic no doubt but that's okay. lol
Right, I said that Criminals carry hand guns, and they do. The part about law abiding citizens was they now have a right to HAVE one. I did not say that they can carry them any time they feel like it. But I can surely see when I look back where you might have read it to apply the "carrying" part to citizens too. I probably could have worded it a little better than I did. lol I'll pay more attention to my grammar next time. I was thinking about maybe researching the various gun laws and posting them here.
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 28, 2008 11:51:33 GMT -11
[...] For example, there are some denominations, that believe that every tiny little thing invented including grammar rules are God's invention. I had a friend that went to a Pentecostal school that would point out that everything, including a comma in a sentence is something God made. Now you on the other hand, while you may believe in God, you may also recognize that people independently invent things and may not agree that God invented the comma. However, just because they say God does, doesn't mean that you have to reject the usage of commas. [...] And, that's why the comma is the hardest punctuation mark for me to master. LOL
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