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Post by xXSpookyXx on Nov 6, 2008 11:10:57 GMT -11
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Nov 6, 2008 13:22:12 GMT -11
The ghost hunters have been BUSTED!!!! The video was very well done and very clearly shows all of their trickery.
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Post by hoobsmom on Nov 6, 2008 13:39:09 GMT -11
Oh my Gosh I think GH is toast. It was obviously a bunch of bull. That poor Valentine guy all he was doing was saying what he heard. This should be interesting to see how it all plays out for them. What the spin will be.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 6, 2008 14:51:51 GMT -11
I'm still pretty much a skeptic. That goes for this video too. I did not see anything in it that couldn't be explained some other way. There was nothing conclusive.
That also goes for the TAPS side of the story too. It's still just TV, it's still entertainment, and I will still watch. LOL
People are acting like they just caught Nixon editing tapes.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Nov 6, 2008 15:16:04 GMT -11
Okay Bob well look at it this way...
Between the GH crew and the person whom compiled all that for Youtube, which group do you think would have more to gain by performing magic tricks? Also, maybe if you have it recorded on your DVD you can test that Youtube and see if you can see those shots that were captured for Youtube to confirm them. So it's not like it isn't all that unverifiable if one wants to do the leg work.
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Post by JoeGeist on Nov 6, 2008 16:19:49 GMT -11
Thats a very interesting video.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 6, 2008 18:42:03 GMT -11
Okay Bob well look at it this way...
Between the GH crew and the person whom compiled all that for Youtube, which group do you think would have more to gain by performing magic tricks? Also, maybe if you have it recorded on your DVD you can test that Youtube and see if you can see those shots that were captured for Youtube to confirm them. So it's not like it isn't all that unverifiable if one wants to do the leg work. I ran the segment over and over and over. Foz can attest to that. She and I watched it ad-nauseum and I could not see definitive proof one way or the other. I saw no string from his jacket. I thought I could see an odd movement of the collar right after Jason patted him on the back. It might have been movement or a trick of the light in there. But, there was nothing I could point to as THE thing.
The voice sounded far clearer than any EVP I've heard. The second occurrence of the voice was rougher and somewhat garbled. I have no idea where it came from. It had an echo quality that suggested a terrestrial origin. The suggestion that it might have been security people outside was a good one, but I cannot say if that was the source cause I have no idea where the voice came from. Recorded sounds are the hardest to figure our cause I wasn't there to say, "oh, it came from over there." So, I have no idea.
Is one side lying and the telling the truth? Again, there is nothing definitive to say either way. I suspect the truth is somewhere between the two groups. Do I have reason to disbelieve TAPS? Yeah. But just cause one group is lying doesn't mean the other group is telling the truth.
And so, I remain skeptical. But, I still like the show. It's good entertainment. Just like skiffy. Those are my thoughts on this. ;D
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Nov 6, 2008 18:45:12 GMT -11
But that's not what I asked. I asked, if the youtube video should be taken with skeptism, then check the DVD video for possible tampering committed by the people that did the Youtube video. Does the English guy not say he heard it through his sound piece? Does the collar not turn upward strangely after Jason pats his back? What about the youtube video is staged if anything?
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Post by Pinkberry on Nov 6, 2008 19:36:15 GMT -11
Succckksss..but weve been questioning their evidence for a few years now anyway.
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Nov 7, 2008 2:47:37 GMT -11
The voice sounded far clearer than any EVP I've heard. Let me ask you this, Bob - what is an EVP? Even Wiki knows that one: "Electronic voice phenomena (EVP) are sections of static noise on the radio or electronic recording that some listeners believe sound like voices speaking words; paranormal investigators sometimes interpret these noises as the voices of ghosts or spirits." - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voice_phenomenonEVP's CANNOT be heard with the human ear and are ONLY discernable during playback. GH plays around with this definition with all their silly "didja hear that?" but we never hear the EVP until it's played back. That "EVP" was so silly that even Jason wasn't excited. Come on - you're doing a live broadcast and a voice speaks THAT loudly for the home audience to hear? That's excitement!!! Not for Jason. He looked annoyed. Most likely because they just showed in obvious detail what FAKES they are. I loved that special. They hung themselves in soooo many ways ;D The truth always comes out, even if it's a little slow at times.
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Post by «Foz» on Nov 7, 2008 3:28:14 GMT -11
I believe this video pretty much outs GH as fakes.
I can understand the confusion in the first section of the video with who was being shown on the live show and when, especially since I hear there were some technical issues. I can also understand why one team may not have been investigating when they were not being shown live. But personally I think they should have continued investigating regardless in case they "caught" something that could be shown later.
The whole thing with J and G shutting up the Estate of Panic guy bothered me. They seemed so annoyed that he mentioned that he could hear the voice in his earpiece which leads me to believe that they were covering something up.
I definitely saw something odd with G's jacket when J patted him on the back. That same "puckered" spot on the collar moved in a similar way to how it moved when the collar was "tugged". I believe something was rigged but they got creative - they figured out a way to rig it so it was not visible. If G was an honest investigator, he would have taken the jacket off to show that nothing was inside of it.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 7, 2008 5:32:56 GMT -11
Okay Bob well look at it this way...
Between the GH crew and the person whom compiled all that for Youtube, which group do you think would have more to gain by performing magic tricks? Also, maybe if you have it recorded on your DVD you can test that Youtube and see if you can see those shots that were captured for Youtube to confirm them. So it's not like it isn't all that unverifiable if one wants to do the leg work. I did record it on my DVD. And, I've run through it over and over, just like the video clip. But, I will try to explain my reasons for as many of the things as I can:
First, the voice. Julia, I did refer to it as an EVP just cause we've formed the habit of calling any disembodied voice an EVP. Even when they are not. Technically, that was NOT an EVP. It was a voice, origin unknown. It had an echo quality to it that makes me think it was from a human source. But, cause I was not there, I don't know the direction or how close or anything about the voice. I think I agreed with you on that in another post, Julia.
The conversation among Jason, Grant and that guy from Estate of Panic was confusing and segmented. The video jumped around and it was hard to tell what they were referring to on some points in the conversation. Jason hushing him up seemed to me like they were reminding him they were live and to not discuss production equipment. I could be wrong. But, as I said, there was no obvious proof either way. The outtakes were just too jumbled to follow the conversation. The video tried to make claims about what they were allegedly talking about. But it could have been something else, or a collection of something elses. There is just nothing definitive that I can base a clear choice on. Sorry.
Finally, the collar. That little logo or whatever it is on the back of his collar seemed to be the thing that moved, if it moved. Foz referred to it as a "pucker." That's good enough for me, so that's what I'll call it. The pucker moves or seems to move right after Jay pats Grant on the back. I thought I saw it move down slightly, but Spooky said she saw it move up. That was the main thing that I ran over and over again. I cannot be certain that it really moves. It might be the light shifting as Grant walks forward. I also wondered if it was a natural reaction to the coat being depressed from Jay's pat on the back. I honestly cannot tell. I don't believe for a second that his collar was really tugged, but I don't know how they faked it.
So, the voice is just a voice. The conversation is so jumbled I cannot follow the it contextually. And the collar may have moved ... cause unknown. Basically, I just don't believe anything I see on that show. No matter who says it. The only paranormal show that I put any credence in is Monsterquest. When they did their show on ghosts, they did it very professionally with far better equipment than TAPS uses. They spent several days studying and researching before the actual investigation. And they found .... (drum roll) ..... nothing.
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Nov 7, 2008 8:52:10 GMT -11
First, the voice. Julia, I did refer to it as an EVP just cause we've formed the habit of calling any disembodied voice an EVP. My point is that THEY called it an EVP and tried to pass it off as one. At least Grant did. Jason looked annoyed with him.
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Post by CougarBob on Nov 8, 2008 5:15:42 GMT -11
Here is a video showing that it is possible to fake the collar tug. I don't know if this is what Grant did, if indeed he faked the tug. But it does show that it is possible. Of course after watching Criss Angel, Mindfreak, I know anything is possible. LOL
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Post by drmichaelrhodes on Nov 8, 2008 21:10:33 GMT -11
Look I'm going to make this short and sweet.
The Halloween episode was a joke. We all know that. But we've clearly gone from joke to fraud.
These critical videos on youtube are on to something, as have been the careful analyses of these episodes by the watch dog groups during the past year or so. You don't need to see a string for that to be the best explanation of what you do observe. These guys are faking things now. And maybe not just recently. It's been suggested that TAPS began faking things in earlier episodes. I suspect they were in on the Manson Fakery. And Grant knew about moss beach distillery being rigged. Amy Bruni told him on the cell phone on the way to the airport when she picked them up for the shoot. Ever wonder how they knew exactly where to go in the Distillery and look to find the rigged effects. They knew what they were going to find and where. Boo!
Michael
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