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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on May 27, 2008 2:52:09 GMT -11
Really? Why? The only major flaw was that they allowed spectral evidence.
"Spectral evidence was testimony that the accused witch's spirit (i.e. spectre) appeared to the witness in a dream or vision. The dream or vision was admitted as evidence." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_evidenceAh.....got it! Did not know that. Thanks ;D
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Post by CougarBob on May 27, 2008 6:44:17 GMT -11
"Spectral evidence was testimony that the accused witch's spirit (i.e. spectre) appeared to the witness in a dream or vision. The dream or vision was admitted as evidence."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectral_evidence
Ah.....got it! Did not know that. Thanks ;D Spectral evidence was also presented during the trial by the afflicted girls who yelled and screamed and said they saw the accused's "shape" approaching them and pinching and choking them, etc. The magistrates would scream at the accused to stop the attack, which they were unable to do.
What is also interesting is that a tremendous number were found not guilty. This incident also involved the largest percentage of men who were accused. There were also hundreds of civil trials during this time as people who were accused sued the accusers.
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Post by dmadcat on Jun 26, 2008 6:33:32 GMT -11
Well educated, RELIGIOUS men. Religion does funny things to otherwise intelligent people. They see ghosts and spectres and devils where there are none and because of their beliefs in God and the Devil, good and evil, they show no mercy in dealing with those they believe are wicked or who do not share their beliefs.
The rye was just a catalyst.
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Post by Pinkberry on Jun 26, 2008 9:09:06 GMT -11
Well educated, RELIGIOUS men. Religion does funny things to otherwise intelligent people. They see ghosts and spectres and devils where there are none and because of their beliefs in God and the Devil, good and evil, they show no mercy in dealing with those they believe are wicked or who do not share their beliefs. The rye was just a catalyst. That's a pretty big generalization don't you think?
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Post by chrissy on Jun 26, 2008 12:07:19 GMT -11
Salem trials.. lol I go to salem atleast once a week. What I think is amazing.. is Salem was NOT in Salem back then. Danvers was actually Salem and Hawthorne, MA . Salem has since moved to only a small section of th original called Salem and Hawthorne, MA is no longer its now Danvers, MA. I have read so much and learned so much (going to Salem State College) on it . The folk tale the history everything. IMO, this is just like every other sad time in our history... Power, religion and fear = a deadly combination. This is what happens when you let children make adult decisions and have adult input. I fully believe a child should be exactly that .. a child. I am so against the whole thing I actually refuse to read or watch any movie related to it. I actually dont know why lol but i do.
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 26, 2008 15:25:50 GMT -11
Salem trials.. lol I go to salem atleast once a week. What I think is amazing.. is Salem was NOT in Salem back then. Danvers was actually Salem and Hawthorne, MA . Salem has since moved to only a small section of th original called Salem and Hawthorne, MA is no longer its now Danvers, MA. I have read so much and learned so much (going to Salem State College) on it . The folk tale the history everything. IMO, this is just like every other sad time in our history... Power, religion and fear = a deadly combination. This is what happens when you let children make adult decisions and have adult input. I fully believe a child should be exactly that .. a child. I am so against the whole thing I actually refuse to read or watch any movie related to it. I actually dont know why lol but i do. I spent a lot of time in graduate school studying the Salem Witchcraft Trials. One thing to remember is that not one person went on trial for practicing witchcraft. They all went on trial for using witchcraft to attack someone else. Even though practicing witchcraft was a crime back then, the trials were assault and battery.
Salem Village (now Danvers) was where most of the action happened. The trials, however, were held in Salem Town (today Salem). Today, it is Salem Town that tries to capitalize on the witch thing. Years after the event, the colonial leaders issued apologies to the victims and families. They admitted that they were wrong. But, to my knowledge, none of the "afflicted" girls ever apologized.
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Post by dmadcat on Jun 27, 2008 2:35:08 GMT -11
Well educated, RELIGIOUS men. Religion does funny things to otherwise intelligent people. They see ghosts and spectres and devils where there are none and because of their beliefs in God and the Devil, good and evil, they show no mercy in dealing with those they believe are wicked or who do not share their beliefs. The rye was just a catalyst. That's a pretty big generalization don't you think? Maybe. Might require a little explanation as to why I think so. In a time when it was against the law not to attend church, refusing to side with them or denounce anyone accused of witchcraft could result in your own demise. Religious leaders have a history of pointing to God or the Devil as causes for things they can't readily explain or to rally their followers to a cause rather than find a more mundane explanation. Taken too far religion can be a form of brain washing. You might, at that time, see someone suffering from the effects of rye poisoning and wonder what ailment that person might have without bringing religion into it. Unfotunately all it takes is one overzealous religious nut to point the finger and who in the community would dare dissent without risk of being accused themselves? Zealots in the middle east are a pretty good example of a modern day witch hunt. Only we 'infidels' are the witches in this scenario. Does that mean if I get one or two of them in a room alone I wouldn't possibly be able to befriend them and maybe convince them that what they're doing is misguided? No, but in these scenarios you're dealing with mob rule, not individuals.
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Post by Pinkberry on Jun 27, 2008 20:50:41 GMT -11
Yes there are religious zealots...however I think grouping anyone who practices a religion and stating that it does "funny things to otherwise intelligent people" is a little rude.
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Post by dmadcat on Jun 28, 2008 2:33:21 GMT -11
I think you mistook my meaning.
When I said, "Religion does funny things to otherwise intelligent people." I didn't mean to apply that to everyone who is religious.
However, there are some people who are extremely intelligent but that get carried away with their religion. Some of those people can become pretty powerful and thus their personal religious beliefs are allowed to affect the lives of many people.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jun 28, 2008 4:14:58 GMT -11
Spiratually hungry?, need a change?, asking WWJD just not enough any more? Well I have the answer to all your religious needs. Send me 99.95 and help spread the word.
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Post by CougarBob on Jun 28, 2008 7:44:58 GMT -11
The scariest thing about the Salem Witch Hunt was that the people who were in charge were NOT crazy religious fanatics. They were intelligent, highly educated people who calmly and meticulously tracked down and tried 141 people. And, executed 21 of them. That's what was so scary. They were calm, otherwise rational people who orchestrated these horrible acts. And those people are still around today. Not in some far off land, right here in the U.S. They're the ones who led us into a foaming lynch-mob mentality after 9-11 to attack a country that had nothing to do with it. They're always around. They are the ones we have to be constantly on guard against.
And, as far as the folks back in 1692, remember that they also were the ones who sat back at one point and said, "Woe, what are we doing? This is nuts!" They stopped the trials cold at that point, even as the general public was still calling for the trials to continue.
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Post by sandstone on Jun 30, 2008 3:15:21 GMT -11
The scariest thing about the Salem Witch Hunt was that the people who were in charge were NOT crazy religious fanatics. They were intelligent, highly educated people who calmly and meticulously tracked down and tried 141 people. And, executed 21 of them. That's what was so scary. They were calm, otherwise rational people who orchestrated these horrible acts. And those people are still around today. Not in some far off land, right here in the U.S. They're the ones who led us into a foaming lynch-mob mentality after 9-11 to attack a country that had nothing to do with it. They're always around. They are the ones we have to be constantly on guard against.
And, as far as the folks back in 1692, remember that they also were the ones who sat back at one point and said, "Woe, what are we doing? This is nuts!" They stopped the trials cold at that point, even as the general public was still calling for the trials to continue. I think that sometimes people do such terrible things thinking it is for "the greater good". I know quite a few scientists who don't think that the link being made between carbon dioxide and global warming is actually true. There is in fact a lot of evidence to suggest that factors such as changes in solar activity (sun cycles), long-period changes in the Earth's orbital elements (eccentricity, obliquity of the ecliptic, precession of equinoxes), and even our solar system's orbit throughout the galaxy may be more important factors in modelling the earth's climate. The thing is, many of these scientists believe that since reduced pollution is a major benefit of reduced carbon emissions, that it is OK to keep quiet about the scientific inaccuracies being presented by people like AL Gore. I wish people could do the right things to protect the environment without having to be given a fairy tale of inaccurate talking points. Why do people need to be lied to for the "greater good"?
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Post by Pinkberry on Jul 1, 2008 6:18:52 GMT -11
The scariest thing about the Salem Witch Hunt was that the people who were in charge were NOT crazy religious fanatics. They were intelligent, highly educated people who calmly and meticulously tracked down and tried 141 people. And, executed 21 of them. That's what was so scary. They were calm, otherwise rational people who orchestrated these horrible acts. And those people are still around today. Not in some far off land, right here in the U.S. They're the ones who led us into a foaming lynch-mob mentality after 9-11 to attack a country that had nothing to do with it. They're always around. They are the ones we have to be constantly on guard against.
And, as far as the folks back in 1692, remember that they also were the ones who sat back at one point and said, "Woe, what are we doing? This is nuts!" They stopped the trials cold at that point, even as the general public was still calling for the trials to continue. I think that sometimes people do such terrible things thinking it is for "the greater good". I know quite a few scientists who don't think that the link being made between carbon dioxide and global warming is actually true. There is in fact a lot of evidence to suggest that factors such as changes in solar activity (sun cycles), long-period changes in the Earth's orbital elements (eccentricity, obliquity of the ecliptic, precession of equinoxes), and even our solar system's orbit throughout the galaxy may be more important factors in modelling the earth's climate. The thing is, many of these scientists believe that since reduced pollution is a major benefit of reduced carbon emissions, that it is OK to keep quiet about the scientific inaccuracies being presented by people like AL Gore. I wish people could do the right things to protect the environment without having to be given a fairy tale of inaccurate talking points. Why do people need to be lied to for the "greater good"? I agree..I also have my doubts about evolution as well (and no Im not a crazy conspiracy theorist). I just think that when an idea becomes popular among some 'popular' figures in our history, that people like to jump on the band wagon and believe it.
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Post by JoeGeist on Jul 1, 2008 6:25:17 GMT -11
[ I agree..I also have my doubts about evolution as well (and no Im not a crazy conspiracy theorist). I just think that when an idea becomes popular among some 'popular' figures in our history, that people like to jump on the band wagon and believe it. Oh, I hear you about evolution. The perfection that is JoeGeist can only be produced by spontaneous generation, not some crazy natural selection process.
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Post by sandstone on Jul 1, 2008 18:23:34 GMT -11
I think that sometimes people do such terrible things thinking it is for "the greater good". I know quite a few scientists who don't think that the link being made between carbon dioxide and global warming is actually true. There is in fact a lot of evidence to suggest that factors such as changes in solar activity (sun cycles), long-period changes in the Earth's orbital elements (eccentricity, obliquity of the ecliptic, precession of equinoxes), and even our solar system's orbit throughout the galaxy may be more important factors in modelling the earth's climate. The thing is, many of these scientists believe that since reduced pollution is a major benefit of reduced carbon emissions, that it is OK to keep quiet about the scientific inaccuracies being presented by people like AL Gore. I wish people could do the right things to protect the environment without having to be given a fairy tale of inaccurate talking points. Why do people need to be lied to for the "greater good"? I agree..I also have my doubts about evolution as well (and no Im not a crazy conspiracy theorist). I just think that when an idea becomes popular among some 'popular' figures in our history, that people like to jump on the band wagon and believe it. I'd have to disagree with you on evolution. There is just an amazing amount of evidence supporting it. Just do some reading up on the Cambrian Explosion and the Great Ordovician Biodiversity Event. Then you can get a feel for the changes in species diversity and the evolution of life as the early Earth underwent various types of changes (glaciation, tectonic events, sea level changes, etc).
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