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Post by LCellini on May 10, 2008 11:27:20 GMT -11
the answer i want isn't up there.
right now i have no issues with what the control is. and once you give up 1 right then they'll want 3 more until you don't have any left.
and for a forest gump quote "that's all i have to say about that."
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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 10, 2008 11:29:24 GMT -11
the answer i want isn't up there. right now i have no issues with what the control is. and once you give up 1 right then they'll want 3 more until you don't have any left. and for a forest gump quote "that's all i have to say about that." Hi IC, Perhaps your view fits into "other"?
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Post by CougarBob on May 10, 2008 13:24:22 GMT -11
Exactly! when ever we allow the government to infer so much we do it at the expense of our own liberties. Not necessarily just this issue but I am seeing a lot of things where I am resenting the interference. I agree and believe that the second amendment was intended for the citizens to protect themselves from a power-hungry government. We've been seeing the government move in this direction for the past eight years as personal liberties fade away. The danger today is that the difference in strength between what home owners have in the way of firepower, is nothing compared to the government's. I don't think the founding fathers realized that army tanks and bombers would one day be invented. In fact, talking about this in a public forum makes me nervous. Watch out for the men in black.
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on May 11, 2008 2:26:07 GMT -11
Here in Eastern KY, most of us own a gun. Hunting is not all that unusual. We have animals, and if one is suffering, there is no authority I can call to put the animal down, and I don't want to have to cut it's throat. Violent crime is so low here I can sleep with my door open at night if I wanted to. We are taught how to respect guns at an early age.
I do not trust the government and do not want them regulating most facets of my life.
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Post by stick28 on May 11, 2008 3:10:21 GMT -11
And another thing most people don't realize...
The police are not legally obligated to respond to your call for help. Not that they don't want to, but they don't have to. That means that when they are busy, or if the call for help gets delayed, or the cops go to the wrong address, or you call 911 and get a busy signal, you are just plain out of luck. Police have been sued for failure to respond, and the courts always rule that they are under no legal obligation to respond.
I believe it suits the Govt to have you helpless and dependent on [it]. I'm not suggesting that the Govt conspires to keep you dependent, but the nature of govt yields that result.
So, I resist gun control just like I resist limits on other Constitutional rights. That's also why I resist big government, and the expectation that govt is the solution to all problems. That's why I expect the courts to rule on the law, and not try to make or enforce social policy.
It's a very important issue - it's not really about gun control.
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Post by amara1369 on May 11, 2008 3:52:57 GMT -11
I agree stick, it's not just about gun control, though I am wondering how far they plan to go.
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Post by brian on May 11, 2008 3:53:30 GMT -11
Nope it's not just about gun control. Once you start digging a little deeper you start to notice just what is happening with the deciept happening within our government. Small towns and the good ol' boy syndrome are one of the biggest forces that are taking away rights as we speak. In our little mock backward arse, banjo playin' grits eatin' no branches on the family tree F****** inbred town, the council and its politicians have amalgimated themselves with the church and have started making rulings that they themselves deem best for our little community. Eg; Wallmart wanted to come here and they were voted against as the council and churches thought it would force wages to go up. Also that our little town could not sustain such a big conglomerate. Now in reality Wallmart does a lot of homework and builds where they know they'll make their money. This place in summer booms, and with sturgis just down the road we have approx. 2 to 5 hundred thousand bikers alone through here in a week. Not including the standard tourist. They banned a topless bar in town because they stated that it would promote porn. LMFAO. They came out with a whole lot of stats that we proved wrong and yet the church forced the issue and it was banned. If you are a christian, then you know that the biggest gift god gave us was free will, the right to walk in, or walk past. If you are not a christian then as a normal person you know that Australians and Americans died for the right to have that free will. Now we have these little hitlers taking away rights that under the constitution they have no right to do. So they introduce by-laws to enforce and undermine it instead. It did'nt matter that the wages were going on 20 bucks an hour and it was a year round business, unlike over half of the others, who roll up their footpaths and close for the winter and take all of their earnings to the state that they actually live in. Ok I have ranted ... but as it continues I think more Americans are now realising just how many things are being taken from them and its not until they need that one law to back them, then they realize... it aint there anymore.
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Post by «Foz» on May 11, 2008 4:16:21 GMT -11
I know I'm going OT here but Brian's Walmart post made me think. If a small town like his voted against a Walmart, they're crazy. Think about the huge amount of tax money a small town would get from a big-box store like Walmart, Target, Lowe's, Home Depot, etc. A small town could do alot with that kind of money. And please take no offense Brian, but it sounds like the area you live in may have a high rate of unemployment (as do many areas in the country). A place like Walmart is a huge employer that could do alot to help the unemployment rate go down, thereby improving the town as a whole. As an example in my area - there is a city a few miles over from me that was very rural/"hillbilly" 10 years ago. That city has exploded and now has Target, SuperWalmart, Lowe's, etc. and is in the process of building a large shopping center. That city went from being primarily trailerparks and low-income housing to having developments with $750,000 homes. I can understand a small town may want to preserve it's mom-and-pop stores but in this day and age, it's not feasible. As for the strip joint being voted against - I can understand that from a moral perspective, but it's still a source of tax income for a city, as well as a source of jobs. With the current state of our economy, beggers can't be choosers.
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Post by stick28 on May 11, 2008 5:27:28 GMT -11
... and with sturgis just down the road Sturgis just down the road? You're in Rapid City? Deadwood? Lead...? Can you tells us where? I love that area. I'm one of those bikers, but I always avoid the actual Sturgis event. I love riding in the area, Visiting Mt Rushmore, but I'd rather do it without so much competition. The week before Sturgis is the best - all the facilities are ready, but the crowd hasn't arrived. Seems to me there are quite a few Walmart's in the general area.
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Post by amara1369 on May 11, 2008 6:26:41 GMT -11
I have to say, I have worked for the "big box". It used to be a very very good company, sadly now, it should be on the top 20 worst companies to work for...... *ever*. Yes, it will bring income to a community, but it also kills out any of the mom and pop stores, or other competitors that can't keep up. P&C went out after they came, Ames closed it's doors, and several other smaller retailers. They treat their associates like scum, and do so because they know there will always be people who need work. Their turn-over rate is above 60%. In the five years I was on overnights, I saw over 200 people come and go. Good people, hard working people. When they left/got fired, their outlook on life, etc, was crap. I will *never* work for that company again, and strongly urge my friends not to. The company also searches out loop holes so they can get away with just about anything. Trust me, the labor board has been called several times on their misuse of their associates, and sadly, all the labor board has been able to say, "Wal Mart is the worst company about finding loopholes."
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Post by brian on May 11, 2008 8:19:18 GMT -11
Yeah Foz, we are in a bloody low income area. people here die each winter because they can't even afford propane. The amount of tourism through this area is phenomenal, yet it does not stay in the town. As for the bar, it was'nt a strip bar. It was a topless bar. Big difference. Personally I may not have ever gone to it myself, but it was revenue for the locals. That is my main concern. Now stick, mate I live just out of Custer. Each year at Sturgis we head down to Spearfish and work out the back of a bar called the B&B or the Back Porch painting bikes. We usually hang with a shitload of Texan Undercover Cops who ride up each year and just party. If we aint with them it's usually some of the angels who hang for a while. All good blokes who I do custom painting for. This year I'll be closer to home though. So when your comin' through mate, jump on the dog and bone and gimme' a call. We'll hook up with ya' and introduce you to some of the blokes we hang with. It'd put a good spin on an already good coupla' weeks. Amara, you are right in every facet of your reply. The difference here is ... this town needed it. There are really no Mom and Pop businesses that would've suffered as we don't even have a shop in this town where you can buy socks or the basics. The supermarkets here need someone to scew em in the arse with the prickly end of a pineapple, as they overcharge for everything and do the locals over. It gets worse during Sturgis and hunting season. So it could only improve business here. Also for the fact that the people in this town already have a bad f*****' attitude so that aint gonna phase 'em lol. B.
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Post by amara1369 on May 11, 2008 8:34:17 GMT -11
Hrm, true, you could use the revenue, but the company itself is crap. I know in a local town near here, they voted against the Wal Mart, and they're still building it.... I dunno, I'm just really really against the company itself. It sucks out what it can, and when it can't anymore, it moves on. There are hundreds of stores empty because they couldn't get anything more out of it. Don't get me wrong, it used to be an amazing company to work for. But when Sam died, it started to slip, when Mrs. Walton died, is where everything started to get horrible. They don't value what they used to, and definitely rarely hold to their key principles.
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Post by brian on May 11, 2008 8:43:27 GMT -11
Yeah Amara, I agree, but we are'nt just talking about Walmart. Most corprate entities now don't give a crap. The days of job security are gone and loyalties just don't exist. They take what they can and if you have a bad day, you are gone. I personally don't like them either, but when you have limited resourses, you have to shop there. Hence the reason they were banned in Australia. Mateship is almost gone too. People don't trust each other anymore, and they won't allow others to infiltrate the circle so to speak. To me, indpendance is now a way of life, I do everything myself and don't rely on anyone. If I can't do it, then it doesnt get done until I figure it out. This way I can make sure my family has what they need and I can't be let down.
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Post by amara1369 on May 11, 2008 8:54:26 GMT -11
I fully understand where you come from. And I agree, it's not just with Wal-Mart, it's all throughout. Comraderie (sp?) and fellowship just isn't like it used to be. The questions should be, "How can this be changed?" "What can I do? Even if it's a small thing?" There are answers, it's just too many people have the, "Let others change it for me" mentality.
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Post by stick28 on May 11, 2008 9:22:51 GMT -11
Now stick, mate I live just out of Custer. Each year at Sturgis we head down to Spearfish and work out the back of a bar called the B&B or the Back Porch painting bikes. We usually hang with a shitload of Texan Undercover Cops who ride up each year and just party. If we aint with them it's usually some of the angels who hang for a while. All good blokes who I do custom painting for. This year I'll be closer to home though. So when your comin' through mate, jump on the dog and bone and gimme' a call. We'll hook up with ya' and introduce you to some of the blokes we hang with. It'd put a good spin on an already good coupla' weeks. Would that I could, B. Last time I was out (on the bike) was June '05. I spent nearly a month on the road, touring the west, and stopped in Rapid City (as a home base) on the way home. But, I'm afraid my days on the road are over. I can do the shorter rides, but can't take the long cross-country rides anymore. Last spring I rode to Laconia NH for bike week, and that's only about 500 miles - it was pretty difficult. Sometimes reality sucks, but it's hard to escape.
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