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Post by amara1369 on May 14, 2008 5:38:45 GMT -11
roflol maybe?
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 12, 2008 7:20:00 GMT -11
My brother called and shared an incident with me that reminded me of this thread so I will share with you all.
First off, in Florida, they have very minimal gun control (not that I am completely in agreement with how easy it is to get a gun there, but I am also not in agreement for very stiff control either). In addition to purchasing guns, he had taken a course in gun safety in order to apply for a permit to carry one on him as a concealed weapon. (something virtually impossible to do in stricter gun control states).
So he was walking down the street on the way to a sub shop to get a bite to eat when this car pulled up along side him. This was odd enough but then the passenger side window rolled down and this guy asked him "Hey, are you Joe that likes to party?" Down there that is supposedly a code for trying to solicit some one to buy drugs off of you. He said "No" then the guy persisted and kept saying "Are you sure you are no Joe?" Really making a scene about it. Then the car goes into park, meanwhile my brother was intentionally walking enough to keep a safe distance. Then suddenly that passenger side door opened up, and the guy got one foot out, and he had something in his other hand that looked like a gun. My brother was getting real bad vibes off of all this. Quickly thinking, he lifted his shirt up to pretend like he was wiping away sweat off his face, but did this to show the guy that he also had a gun on him. It was at that point that the guy quickly changed his aggressive and insisting tone to now apologizing for the mix up, and backed himself into the car and left.
Personally, I think the whole scene that was being pulled was the guy was using the "Joe" comments as a distraction method to get out of the car and approach him. I also believe that had this same scene played out in my state (rather than Florida), my brother would have been mugged or quite possibly killed (lord knows the true intentions of the people in the car.)
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Post by stick28 on Jun 12, 2008 12:07:21 GMT -11
My brother called and shared an incident with me that reminded me of this thread so I will share with you all. First off, in Florida, they have very minimal gun control (not that I am completely in agreement with how easy it is to get a gun there, but I am also not in agreement for very stiff control either). In addition to purchasing guns, he had taken a course in gun safety in order to apply for a permit to carry one on him as a concealed weapon. (something virtually impossible to do in stricter gun control states). So he was walking down the street on the way to a sub shop to get a bite to eat when this car pulled up along side him. This was odd enough but then the passenger side window rolled down and this guy asked him "Hey, are you Joe that likes to party?" Down there that is supposedly a code for trying to solicit some one to buy drugs off of you. He said "No" then the guy persisted and kept saying "Are you sure you are no Joe?" Really making a scene about it. Then the car goes into park, meanwhile my brother was intentionally walking enough to keep a safe distance. Then suddenly that passenger side door opened up, and the guy got one foot out, and he had something in his other hand that looked like a gun. My brother was getting real bad vibes off of all this. Quickly thinking, he lifted his shirt up to pretend like he was wiping away sweat off his face, but did this to show the guy that he also had a gun on him. It was at that point that the guy quickly changed his aggressive and insisting tone to now apologizing for the mix up, and backed himself into the car and left. Personally, I think the whole scene that was being pulled was the guy was using the "Joe" comments as a distraction method to get out of the car and approach him. I also believe that had this same scene played out in my state (rather than Florida), my brother would have been mugged or quite possibly killed (lord knows the true intentions of the people in the car.) You should also know that only 2% of Floridians eligible for concealed carry actually applied for concealed carry permits, and of those who received permits, only 93 have been revoked - for errors like carrying the gun into a no carry zone. 93 is such a small number that it is statistically insignificant (it's just a tiny fraction of one precent). As far as I know there have been no criminal actions charged against someone who had a permit, gun related or otherwise, but there have been several cases where, like your brother, someone has saved a life, prevented a crime, or otherwise benefited the public. I don't think every jamoke should carry, but eligible, properly vetted people should be able to if they choose. IMO.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on Jun 12, 2008 13:30:43 GMT -11
I agree. God knows what these thugs had in mind. I told him that it was actually for once, a good thing he isn't back living in Massachusetts again, where in the plight of safety, I fear we have become but sitting ducks for criminals that do not a rat's rear about the law anyways, and still manage to have more guns here, than the number of citizen's in some towns.
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Post by justin on Jun 29, 2008 5:32:30 GMT -11
why control guns,just control people.
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Post by Pinkberry on Jul 6, 2008 16:53:31 GMT -11
I believe in Switzerland that every head of house is required to own a firearm...and appearantly the gun murders there per annum are minimal..So Im going to have to agree with their system of things.
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Post by dreamsinger on Jul 9, 2008 14:12:10 GMT -11
Interesting thread. Here's my viewpoint on subjects touched. First Walmart: This company went from being a very good thing to something I dislike and avoid like the plague. Where Sam Walton used to do things like save US businesses, Walmart now tells companies that they need to send their labor overseas so they can sell their products to Walmart at the price they are willing to pay. They have also been sued for billions of dollars by workers for discrimination and worker rights. Their drug program looks good, but I wonder at what cost. On the subject of gun control, I believe it should be minimal. I like the idea of a person having to take a safety course and be able to pass a basic marksman test. I also like trigger locks but truly prefer a properly installed gun safe. I don't think people who have been committed for mental illness should be allowed to possess a firearm unless they have been deemed cured by more than one professional. I don't agree with the people who think Gun bans are a good idea. Look at Washington D.C. where gun control stepped way over the line. Was the city any safer? (Thank God the Supreme Court struck that down, but only by 5 to 4) For people who believe banning guns will solve anything they should think about this. I know people who can get any gun they want without any problems. Those people are the criminals. I can also tell you that by taking guns away from people it will not stop those who really want to kill others, nor will it make it harder for them to do harm to a large number of people. In fact, I'd say it will just push them harder to come up with more deadly methods. Banning guns would be just as effective as the security restrictions they've placed on the airports, which is nada. I guarantee that one of my credit cards is more deadly and sharper than those box knives that were used in the 911 hijackings. I also carry up to four zip ties in the lining of my sleeve. Those are not to bind someone, but are to assure that if a flight I'm on is hijacked, the hijacker is going to find out what it's like to have one draw tight around their neck. Point here is how harmless do you think I am because I don't have a gun? Violent crime will happen whether there's guns or not. Banning guns will do nothing more than make it so only the bad guys will carry guns. For anyone to think that you can stop illegal weapons from getting into the country I ask "How many illegal immigrants get into the country every day? Has the war on drugs stopped the flow of illegal narcotics? Has the war on drugs stopped the production of illegal drugs in the US?" One other thing I'd like to mention is that the second amendment is not obsolete because the government has tanks and other more sophisticated weapons. Remember, all of those weapons are in the hands of fellow Americans. I believe that not all will blindly open fire on fellow citizens and that many will turn their weapons towards our leaders. I can safely say that 99% of my family would be the first to turn on our government, if they were told to fire on other citizens that were revolting against a government that was not upholding the constitution. For us to not be able to bear arms against the government would be tragic indeed since those in the military who would turn, will need all the help they can get. People should also listen to others from the former Soviet Union. One of the first things the communists did to gain control over the people was to take away their firearms. It's much easier to control people who are unarmed, even if you have tanks. It reduces peoples will to take chances at rebellion since they feel more defenseless and less empowered to be able to do anything more than make a suicide run. I guess in short my response is "Gun control is being able to hit what you shoot at, and that's what it should be left at." (I know what you're thinking "Thank God this post ended. I thought he was going to go on for another volume or two )
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Post by ♥~KarinaKay~♥ on Jul 10, 2008 1:08:55 GMT -11
I guess in short my response is "Gun control is being able to hit what you shoot at, and that's what it should be left at. Yup ;D
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Post by CougarBob on Jul 10, 2008 1:47:47 GMT -11
I guess in short my response is "Gun control is being able to hit what you shoot at, and that's what it should be left at. Yup ;D Easy, KK. These long posts of yours are way out of hand.
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Post by stick28 on Jul 28, 2008 18:20:33 GMT -11
Interesting thread. I can also tell you that by taking guns away from people it will not stop those who really want to kill others, nor will it make it harder for them to do harm to a large number of people. And to that piont - Scotland tops the world's list of most violent countries. They can't get guns there. They stab people. Lots of people.
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Post by icon636 on Jul 28, 2008 18:31:24 GMT -11
I think every sound minded person should posses a firearm. You never know who will come knocking at your door.
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