CougarBob
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Post by CougarBob on May 10, 2008 6:15:02 GMT -11
Did anyone else notice when they replayed the armory episode, they cut out the section where Jay and Grant talked to Frank and showed him the video of his own equipment smacking him in the jaw? I distinctly remember Frank arguing that nothing hit him in the jaw until they showed him that his jaw was inflamed. I think the episode ended with a blurb saying that Frank had quit over the incident.
Or did I imagine the whole thing? What do you guys remember from this show?
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Post by hoobsmom on May 10, 2008 6:20:40 GMT -11
I do remember him saying that he didn't get him in the face until they showed him. Don't you think he would have felt it if it did? I don't know I actually thought that that might not have been faked just for the fact that who would let something like that happen to themselves? But, I believed in Santa untli last Christmas so what do I know.
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Post by amara1369 on May 10, 2008 6:32:21 GMT -11
They showed that scene in the next episode. I remember thinking it was strange that they didn't show a session with Frank in the show where it happened. I myself have had accidents, where I wasn't sure what all happened. Just because it happened so fast. I'm not sure if this is what occurred for Frank, that he was just so frazzled because of the adrenalin, and so much was happening at once, but I do know it's not uncommon. Just my thoughts
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stick28
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Post by stick28 on May 10, 2008 8:06:43 GMT -11
Did anyone else notice when they replayed the armory episode, they cut out the section where Jay and Grant talked to Frank and showed him the video of his own equipment smacking him in the jaw? I distinctly remember Frank arguing that nothing hit him in the jaw until they showed him that his jaw was inflamed. I think the episode ended with a blurb saying that Frank had quit over the incident.
Or did I imagine the whole thing? What do you guys remember from this show?
I recall the same thing. They showed his blotchy cheek as evidence he was struck. And I also recall the comment that he was not comfortable continuing in the job - but at the time I thought perhaps he didn't care for his clumsiness being shown and attributed to ghosts. He was definitely uncomfortable about something. But I haven't seen the re-runs. Now I'll have to watch to see if they modified it... Hoobsmom suggested that he would have known if he had been hit. Well, I don't know. If he's as oblivious as I am, he might not have noticed. Maybe that's why the most commonly used phrase on the show is, "What was that?"
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Post by CougarBob on May 10, 2008 13:12:35 GMT -11
I recall the same thing. They showed his blotchy cheek as evidence he was struck. And I also recall the comment that he was not comfortable continuing in the job - but at the time I thought perhaps he didn't care for his clumsiness being shown and attributed to ghosts. He was definitely uncomfortable about something. But I haven't seen the re-runs. Now I'll have to watch to see if they modified it... You can see, when they replay the footage, that his bag just lifts up and smacks him under his chin. Remembering that the crew is standing in near absolute darkness, I would bet he never saw it coming. I've heard boxers say that the punch that knocks you out is not the hardest punch, it's the one you don't see coming. It reminds me of the woman who was "thrown down" in the asylum and I wonder if something similar happened to her. A ghost doesn't have to move a great amount of weight to knock a person down, just catch them off guard. As for her being dragged afterward, I just don't believe it. Remember that Frank was sure something was pressing down on his chest. I think that when he hit the floor, he had the wind knocked out of him. That feels like your lungs are pressed in and cannot take in air.
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Post by hoobsmom on May 10, 2008 13:18:25 GMT -11
So, do you think something knocked him down? Like a ghost? I tell ya, I think something happened to him. You are right about when you get the wind knocked out of you it feels like pressure in your chest. I just don't know how he would have faked that. He was clearly upset by it. I have the dvd I am going to have to watch it again. I have already seen it a few times though.
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Post by CougarBob on May 10, 2008 13:41:58 GMT -11
So, do you think something knocked him down? Like a ghost? I tell ya, I think something happened to him. You are right about when you get the wind knocked out of you it feels like pressure in your chest. I just don't know how he would have faked that. He was clearly upset by it. I have the dvd I am going to have to watch it again. I have already seen it a few times though. I don't know if it was a ghost, but I do believe it was something paranormal. Either that or Frank is an incredible actor and has not yet been discovered. He was so shaken up that he was sobbing at one point. I think it was real.
I should explain that what I think is "paranormal" is, in fact, a force of nature that we don't understand yet.
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Post by xXSpookyXx on May 10, 2008 14:35:59 GMT -11
But doesn't this wipe out Jason's assertion that ghosts can only lift 10 lbs? It looks to me like his equipment was a lot more than 10 pounds worth. PS: Would it be okay with you if we moved this to the Paranormal Shows forum since it pertains to a GH incident? It's okay here too, but if probably fits a little better there. I'll let you call it.
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Post by stick28 on May 11, 2008 2:46:00 GMT -11
But doesn't this wipe out Jason's assertion that ghosts can only lift 10 lbs? It looks to me like his equipment was a lot more than 10 pounds worth. As I recall the incident, the sound box isn't lifted - it sort of jumps up - like it was struck. Maybe that doesn't take as much energy as lifting does. And all the spook had to do was (as coug noted) get the events started, and after that Frank was off balance, and the rest was all Isaac Newton.
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Post by amara1369 on May 11, 2008 3:55:49 GMT -11
We also have to consider force, vs how much they can lift. Ie: I bet getting hit at something going say, 20mph would hurt a hell of a lot more, than something just lifting a 20 pound bag into your face. He said he felt something go *through* him. The rest, could be as stick said, all Isaac Newton
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Post by literarysnob on May 11, 2008 3:58:09 GMT -11
Just a note that Dreamsinger is inthe process of working up the findings about this very epi. It will be interesting to see what he makes of the whole deal. And what conclusions he comes to. I don't believe this epi was ever much discussed on sciffy. I think that people took it at face value. But that was maybe when sciffy was full of believers!!!
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Post by carson on May 11, 2008 4:12:12 GMT -11
I never questioned the authenticity of that clip until the other night when they showed it. I have to agree that Frank is a hell of an actor if he faked it.
The only questions I had were how it was so coincidental that Brian just happened to have the camera focused "full frontal" on Frank when it happened. BUT - I imagine in normal production they cut out the scenes where the cameraman is caught on tape. They don't normally show the cameramen.
They showed that clip over and over, and while it's not very clear (it's dark and fuzzy), it's possible that someone could have reached out of the darkness and shoved his camera bag up into his face, causing him to lose his balance while holding the microphone boom. There are people standing all around at the time it happened, which is another odd thing. Why were there so many people right there in that area when it happened? I know that Steve and Brian were chasing cold spots, but it seemed like there were a lot of people there at the moment Frank went down.
Also, and I never noticed this before, during the rest of the show there were scenes where Frank was just kind of standing off on the side and watching what was going on. I think I saw him three times. Was that in the first showing of that episode?
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Post by literarysnob on May 11, 2008 4:31:31 GMT -11
Carson, you might check out YouTube to see what they have posted from when the show first aired. www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWLmZ_mF2V4I think you are abosolutly correct in nobody questions the footage. That's just what I did also. That's why I thinkthat Dream will bring in a new and different eye to what we all are taking at face value. My next question is why have skeptics and believers alike have not questioned the incident? Does the level of Frank's emotional state after the incident have us believeing that something really happened to him?
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Post by carson on May 11, 2008 4:57:58 GMT -11
Lit, yes, it was Frank's reaction that sold me. Thanks for the link.
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Post by literarysnob on May 11, 2008 5:23:30 GMT -11
Your welcome!
I just watched the show again, and I am still bafilled by the whole incident with Frank.
It leaves me with a lot of questions to be answered. I am hoping the Dreams analysis will shed more light on this epi.
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